Nostradamus: Is the Apocalypse Near? (BACK!)

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Nostradamus: A critical ****ysis.
I have found that a lot of humans like to trust in emotion and superstition rather than logic and common sense. This is not necessarily a bad thing but sometimes our imaginations seem to leep high above what is truly the case.
I will try and present the information in the most objective way possible.
A little Background on Nostradamus:
Michel de Nostredame, better known as Nostradamus, was a famous astrologer who lived in the 16th century. He made many prophecies, both for his current era and the distant future. Most famous are his Centuries, a series of 942 verses, grouped in sets of 100, describing future events. A single verse is commonly called a quatrain and 100 quatrains a Centurie.
His writings were in French and according to the "Scholar's Nostradamus" (whether they are true scholars is a question that I will not answer), they were written in code to prevent his persecution during the Inquisition.
Some Interpretations of his writings seem to indicate that he had amazing powers that allowed him to see into the future.
Here below is a sample (Century II, Quatrain 5)
Origional French:
Qu'en dans poisson, fer & lettre enfermee, Hors sortira, qui puis fera la guerre, Aura par mer sa classe bien ramee, Apparoissant pres de Latine terre.
En Anglais si vous plais (an interpretation/translation)
That which is enclosed in iron and letter in a fish, Out will go one who will then make war, He will have his fleet well rowed by sea, Appearing near Latin land.
Some people believe that this quatrain seems to indicate that Nostradamus knew there would be submarines and metal warships in the future.
This is from the In Defense of Nostradamus Web Page:
In Century 9 Quatrain 16, Nostradamus, who lived in the mid 16th century, wrote:
Original French De castel Franco sortira l'assemblee, L'ambassadeur non plaisant fera scisme: Ceux de Ribiere seront en la meslee, Et au grand goulfre desnie ont l'entree.
English Translation Out of Castille, Franco will leave the assembly, The ambassador will not agree and cause a schism: The followers of Rivera will be in the crowd, And they will refuse entry to the great gulf.
Here Nostradamus tells us that in Spain -- usings its traditional name "Castilla" -- there will be a fight between Franco and Rivera. Francisco Franco and Primo de Rivera happened to have been the two main opposing leaders during the Spanish Civil War of 1933. Let that fact speak for itself.
Further more every so often there is some sort of Nostradamus Special on TV in which the producer's "ahem-prove" that Nostradamus had some sort of magical power that allows him to predict The French Revolution, the World Wars, the End of the World and all kinds of things.
That seems pretty amazing. He must be some kind of magical happy super being.
My Opinion:
What these shows usually forget to tell you (until the credits are rolling at the end (when nobody is watching)) is that these are INTERPRETATIONS of Nostradamus' writing. Of course if they made a big deal about that and included a proper logical ****ysis of the Quatrains (using the Scientific Method) they would probably loose ratings since a lot of people seem to enjoy believing that there are supernatural forces always at work in the Universe which science cannot explain. Wether that is true is a great philosophical question, however the point is that when Nostradamus' writing's are put to the test (scientifically ****ysed), it shows that he really isn't as much as he has been built up to be.
At this point I would like to introduce to you what I call the "Infinite Monkey's Principle." Let's say that I have aquired an infinite amount of monkeys and an infinite amount of typewritters or word processors (It doesn't matter). Of course, as far as we know that is impossible to do (Unless you buy factory direct from me--send 500 trillion dollars to me (gold bullion only, liquid assets are not negotiable) But I digress... If these Infinite Amount of Monkeys are allowed to bang out whatever they want on the infinite typewriter, one of them will produce the complete works of Shakespear.
How? Simple if the Monkey's write random garbage but in an infinite amount, eventually because of the simple fact that it is inevitable (simple probability thought shows this).
How does this apply to Nostradamus? Well I will show you...
If I make say a thousand prophecies that are fairly abstract for example:
In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb
Well let us ****yse this. For Example what does City of God mean? It could be Mecca, Medina, Rome, Jeruselum, Salt Lake City, or any holy city depending on your religion. What do I mean by thunder--a storm? War? EarthQuake? lots of stuff can be described by thunder. There are a lot of two brothers on this world (I think the Number runs among the Billions) and fortress edure's what--Besiegement, Famine, etc? What Great Leader? How will he succumb? To what?
Now let the prophecy rest for a few years. Add a couple thousand more. Eventually, one of them will fit close enought with events that have happened in the future that the prophecy will appear to come true. If you make enough prophecies and are intelligent enough to word them in such a way that they are abstract you become instant future see-er person. For example those psychics you see every year that make predictions for the year 199-whatever generally get one or two out of ten predictions right. It is because they are good guessers and that there is enough of them to make it seem like people can really predict the future.
I am not discounting the possibility of a sixth sense nor of the supernatural but I would like to state that there is no scientifically proven Psychic person in the world. Ever psychic that says that she or he is a psychic and has been put to the test has failed quite miserably. It is true. There is no discounting that fact.
Further more, the Scholar's of Nostradomas seem to be taking further and further leaps in logic when they interpret his writings. For example this is a link to a page in which a person claims that Nostredomus prophesised the breakup of Canada. Click here to judge for yourself.
Further more I was watching a 1970's movie on Nostredamus and it predicted that the Third World War began in 1994 and was well on it's way by 1999. (I am holding my breath. Oh no!). The people who "****yse" the Quatrains simply scan through history until they find an event that seems to fit with the quatrain.
Perhaps Nostredamus was a futurist. I do not know. Perhaps he suffered some sort of mental illness (hardly unusual in 16th century Europe). Maybe he just had nothing better to do with his time. I do not think though that, faced with the evidence that science has shown, he was a true Psychic who could see the future. Call me a skeptic but I believe the "Phrase Innocent Until Proven otherwise" should be used to regulate any phenomena in Nature. (In this case it would be Scientifically Explainable unless shown otherwise. Or in the Case of Psychics you are not a Psychic unless you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that you have these "powers")

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Claim: A 1654 Nostradamus prediction said World War III would begin with the fall of "two brothers," a reference to the destroyed World Trade Center towers.
Status: False.
Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2001]
"In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
Two brothers torn apart by Chaos,
while the fortress endures,
the great leader will succumb,
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"
Nostradamus 1654
Origins: The

turmoil of recent events has us all scrambling, some to look for solace and meaning, others for the terrorists responsible, and yet others for signs that what happened could have been prevented or at least foreseen. The 11 September 2001 attack on America destroyed not only the two World Trade Center towers in New York City, a chunk of the Pentagon in Washington, and caused untold loss of life, it also shook America's sense of invulnerability. No longer do Americans presume safety in an unsafe world.
For some, that realization is an eye-opener, unsettling but necessary, in that a child's blissful unawareness has been replaced (at great cost) with an adult's more clear-eyed view of the world and its sometimes horrifying ways. For others, it spells the beginning of the end, in that they equated an illusion of safety with its reality and thus now feel their world is ending. It is the fears of that second group that are given voice in the Nostradamus prediction circulated on the Internet even before the dust had settled in New York.
The

French physician and astrologer Nostradamus (1503-1566) penned numerous quatrains populated by obscure imagery that the credulous have ever after attempted to fit to the events of their times. These predictions can often ring somewhat true in that the images employed are so general they can be found in almost every event of import, but by the same token, the prophecies are never a dead-on fit because the wordings are far too general. Not that this stops anyone from believing in them; our society's need for mysticism runs far too deep to ever allow for that.
Those looking for the certainty of a Nostradamus prophecy come true have been known to sledge hammer the results to force a fit by inventing fanciful translations from the original French, bend over backwards to assert one named term is really another, and (as in this case) outright fabricate part or all of the prediction.
Nostradamus did not write the quatrain now being attributed to him. (One wonders how a guy who died in 1566 could have written an item identified as being penned in 1654 anyway.) It originated with a student at Brock University in Canada in 1997, appearing on a web page essay on Nostradamus. That particular quatrain was offered by the page's author, Neil Marshall, as a fabricated example to illustrate how easily an important-sounding prophecy can be crafted through the use of abstract imagery. He pointed out how the terms he used were so deliberately vague they could be interpreted to fit any number of cataclysmic events. (And no, this quatrain didn't appear in the 1980 Orson Welles documentary The Man Who Saw Tomorrow. Welles used a different piece of writing to posit a conflict between the U.S. and a Middle Eastern country — no great feat of prognostication given that at the time, the U.S. and Iran were at loggerheads over the Iranian takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, a move that many people at the time also felt was tantamount to an "act of war.")
It appears someone mistook Marshall's illustrative example for an actual Nostradamus prophecy and, not content to let well enough alone, added "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning." A fabrication was thus further fabricated.
But that wasn't the end of it. More fakery was piled on in later versions that now included all of the text quoted in the Example section above but now concluded with:
On the 11th day of the 9 month,
two metal birds will crash into two tall statues
in the new city,
and the world will end soon after.
Similarly, another enhanced version incorporates the "Example" text quoted above into a more detailed prophecy:
And Nostradamus predicted this (who knows how long ago):
In the year of the new century and nine months,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror.
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city
In the city of york there will be a great collapse,
2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos
while the fortress falls; the great leader will succumb;
third big war will begin when the big city is burning
This "prophecy" is bogus. The second quatrain is entirely made-up, and the first quatrain is composed of lines taken from two completely different prophecies of Nostradamus' linked together for effect (Lines referencing "Normans" and "Mongols" which have no plausible application to current events have been excised by whoever concatenated these two pieces.) The first two lines are from a verse which describes events that would supposedly have taken place in July of 1999 (not September of 2001) and has long since been associated with a wide variety of occurrences — both real and fictional. (An excellent dissertation on this "prediction" can be found here.)
The only thing that's remotely real here is that the second two lines of the first quatrain are taken from what is often cited as a Nostradamus writing identified as Century 6, Quatrain 97:
Cinq et quarante degrez ciel bruslera
Feu approcher de la grand cité neuve
Instant grand flamme esparse sautera
Quand on voudra des Normans faire preuue.
An approximate English translation would be:
Five and forty steps the sky will burn
Fire approaching the large new city
Instantly a great thin flame will leap
When someone will want to test the Normans.
This one is marvel of the all-purpose prophecy. If you want to ensure that your "prediction" will be correct, just make some vague allusions to fire, because then you're covered for a whole host of circumstances: fire (including those started by natural disasters), war (or any type of killing or attack involving bombs or firearms), crashes of motorized vehicles (cars, trains, boats, airplanes), natural phenomena (such as volcanoes and lightning), and astronomical phenomena (such as comets and novas). Surely all of those things are bound to occur within the next few centuries — probably more than once — and your prophecy can be applied to every one of them.
"Five and forty steps"? That's a good one — it covers the reckoning of angles, degrees of latitude and longitude, temperature, time elapsed on a clock, and a bundle of other measurements. You're bound to find a fit here in any disaster.
"The large new city" — ooh, it sure takes a lot of insight to "predict" that a fire, war, explosion, crash, or natural disaster will hit a large city sometime in the next several hundred years. I mean, what're the odds of that? If you don't identify the city in any way (except to note that it's "large"), your "prediction" can be applied to hundreds of events in cities all over the world for hundred of years to come!
So, even if this is a real prophecy of Nostradamus', it simply provides more evidence of how much shoehorning has to be performed to get one of these vague "predictions" to fit modern occurrences:
 The quatrain cites no date whatsoever, and thus the very same verse has already been widely cited a a "prediction" of many different events over the last several years, such as the discovery and approach of the spectacular Hale-Bopp comet in 1995 and the mysterious crash of TWA Flight 800 in July 1996. (And since Nostradamus' writings were widely cited as predicting the end of the world in the year 2000, we can't figure out why he'd be prophesying anything beyond that date anyhow.) Like the Energizer bunny, this is the prediction that just keeps on predicting, and predicting, and predicting . . .
 The quatrain says absolutely nothing about New York City, the United States, or even North America. Ooh, but the "new city" must be a reference to New York, everyone claims. Sure, if you overlook that there's nothing "new" about New York other than its name (it's actually one of the oldest cities in North America), that many other of the world's major cities have the word "new" in their names (such as New Delhi), and that any city settled, built, or rebuilt in the last four hundred years — in other words, just about any city in the world — could be considered "new" relative to Nostradamus' time.
 The line about a sky that "will burn at five and forty degrees" has to be stretched to the point of ridiculousness to pertain to the events in New York City. The Big Apple is nowhere near 45° latitude (it's below the 41° mark), and several major North American cities (e.g., Boston, Milwaukee, Chicago, Minneapolis, Toronto, Montreal) are much closer to 45° latitude than Gotham. Oh, but Nostradamus was so close — so close, in fact that people have been busily working overtime to invent a few dozen other ways of explaining away the discrepancy: It's the angle at which two airplanes hit the World Trade Center towers. (You have to wonder if the people claiming this actually understand what a 45-degree angle is.) No, wait, it's the resulting fires "burning at 45 degrees." (This is just silly — fire burns up, so obviously flames shooting out the sides of a building are going to have to travel sideways in order to go upwards). Ooh, I've got it — at the time of the first crash, the hands of a clock formed a 45° angle. (No doubt somebody would have a found a time zone where this held true if New York's didn't fit.) You can bet that if events had occurred in a city with a colder climate, the Nostradamus buffs would now be claiming that the "five and forty degrees" was obviously meant to refer to air temperature, too.

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All in all, the Great Chicago Fire of 1871 is a much better fit for this one. So is the explosion resulting from the collision of the ships Mont Blanc and Imo in 1917, which killed thousands of people and destroyed much of Halifax — a city just a few degrees shy of 45° latitude. In fact, the devastating Peshtigo forest fire (which occurred on the same night as the Great Chicago Fire) claimed 1,200 lives and occurred right on the 45th parallel.
 What do "Normans" (what we would call "Vikings" or "French") have to do with hijacked airliners crashing into American cities? Nobody knows, but that hasn't stopped people from inventing all sorts of far-fetched explanations (e.g., "Normans" really means "North Americans" — even though "Normans" had a very specific meaning in Nostradamus' time, and it certainly wasn't "North Americans.") Even if a prophecy contains something that makes no sense whatsoever, believers will find a way to make it fit.
This prophecy is truly the Mr. Potato Head of predictions -- if the parts don't fit to your liking, just rearrange them and try again. Just once, we'd like someone to (accurately) tell us what one of Nostradamus' "prophecies" means in advance of the events it supposedly describes. (That a few 1980s interpretations of Nostradamus posited a conflict in the Middle East is meaningless — after the takeover of the American embassy by Iranians in 1979, everybody was predicting war in the Middle East, a "prediction" which required nothing more insightful than an ability to grasp the obvious. Nobody was reading a Middle Eastern war into Nostradamus' writings back in the 1950s or earlier.) If Nostradamus was such a profound prophet, then why is it that not one person in the world was able to decipher his "prediction" in time to sound a warning about the horrors of 11 September 2001?
Bottom line: A prediction that can only be interpreted after the events it supposedly foresees have occurred is not a "prediction" at all. If I could spew out a thousand vague "prophecies" and not have to explain what they meant until after the events they supposedly predicted had occurred, I'm sure I could manage a pretty impressive record for accuracy too.
Barbara "la cosa nostradamus" Mikkelson
Nostradamus' Predictions
As you might already know, Nostradamus (Michel de Nostredame) was a powerful seer who lived in France during the time 1503-1566. During this time, he studied quite a number of ancient languages and achieved some success as a physician working in the plague-stricken areas of France. He is best known, however, for the work that he has done in astrology. In fact, it's widely believed that Nostradamus honed his astrological skills and mystical powers to such perfection that he was able to predict the occurrence of many present-day events - years and even centuries before they occurred! For example, it is accepted among many that Nostradamus successfully predicted,
 The death of Henry II
 The Great Fire of London
 The French Revolution
 The rise of Napoleon Bonaparte
 The sinking of the Titanic
 The rise of Adolf Hitler
 The assassinations of John F. Kennedy and Robert Kennedy
 The explosion of the space shuttle Challenger
 The recent destruction of the World Trade Center towers by terrorist attack

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For this reason, the study of his remaining writings is one that rightfully occupies the time of a good many scholars nowadays. After all, the wisdom of such a powerful and all-seeing man should not go untapped in the times of turmoil that we experience today! Unfortunately, because of the sometimes violent narrow-mindedness of the times he lived in, Nostradamus was forced to cloak his predictions in quatrains - verses of four lines each. In all, he wrote 942 quatrains which have been organized into 10 groups of 100 quatrains each (except for the tenth group, of course, which contains only 42 quatrains). Each group is referred to as a "Century" - in this case, the word is a reference to the 100 quatrains that make up each group and not to the groups of 100 years that we commonly refer to as "centuries".
Fearing the persecution of the Church, the Inquisition, and others who might brand him as a heretic, Nostradamus took pains to conceal the truth in his writings. Each of the quatrains is written mostly in French but with some Latin, Greek, and Italian thrown in. Further complicating the interpretation of his writings is the fact that he was forced to couch his predictions in vague, oblique, and metaphorical references to animals and locations rather than discussing specific people and countries. Even worse, he was forced to write his quatrains out of chronological order. All of this places a heavy burden on those of us who would interpret his writings - first, we must find a translation of the works in English, then we must rearrange the quatrains into chronological order, selecting those only those quatrains that appear to be relevant to a given prediction and discarding the others. Finally we must interpret the oblique references, being careful not to allow our own personal biases to creep into and thereby sully the prediction.
Despite these formidable challenges, many people have successfully interpreted Nostradamus' writings; not only have they found correlations between his writings and the actual events listed above - proving beyond a doubt that Nostradamus had a powerful vision that remains relevant to the modern era - but they have gone beyond this and used Nostradamus' writings to predict devastating earthquakes and even a destructive World War III for the future. Thank God we live in a time when Nostradamus' predictions can be accurately teased out from his writings and disseminated far and wide to the public that they may prepare for these calamities!

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Nonetheless, all is not fear and foreboding for the future. My own recent work into Nostradamus' writings shows without a doubt that a new era is almost upon us. This era is one where one man (me) will lead the world from its current state of ignorance, fear, hunger, and suffering into a brilliant new Golden Age where happiness, freedom, and well-being is guaranteed for all!
Doubtful? I don't blame you. But just take a look at the text of Nostradamus' writings in the proper light and I think that you will be convinced,
Century VIII, Quatrain 28:
The copies of gold and silver inflated,
which after the theft were thrown into the lake,
at the discovery that all is exhausted and dissipated by the debt.
All scrips and bonds will be wiped out.
Nostradamus begins by describing the social conditions that will eventually lead to my rise. Although Nostradamus could not possibly have understood the modern-day stock market in the 1500's, here he describes with a degree of eerie accuracy the Enron stock scandal and the resultant suffering inflicted upon ordinary working-class folks.
Century I, Quatrain 43:
Before the Empire changes
a very wonderful event will take place.
The field moved, the pillar of porphyry
put in place, changed on the gnarled rock
Just before I come to power, a permanent cure for all of the various porphyrias will be discovered (perhaps one of the first clinical applications of genetic engineering? The reference to "the field moved" could be referring to alteration of DNA in porphyria victims). Of course, this has got nothing to do with me personally but it's kind of a nice precursor to my enlightened rule, don't you think?
Century X, Quatrain 19:
The day that she will be hailed as Queen,
The day after the benediction the prayer:
The reckoning is right and valid,
Once humble never was one so proud.
The "Queen" of course is the ideal of peace and prosperity for all. This ideal has been tarnished and humbled many times in the past but soon it shall stand tall in the hearts of all people.
Century V, Quatrain 39:
Issued from the true branch of the fleur-de-lis,
Placed and lodged as heir of Etruria:
His ancient blood woven by long hand,
He will cause the escutcheon of Florence to bloom.
During my reign, the Linux operating system will come to rise and dominate over Windows as the operating system of choice for Intel-based PC's. Although the computer era wasn't to come about for four centuries after his death, Nostradamus was able to describe the coding ("ancient blood woven by long hand") of the Linux kernel by dedicated and selfless volunteers around the world ("issued from the true branch of the fleur-de-lis"). Etruria, of course, is nothing more than "Microsoft" in Latin.
Century IV, Quatrain 77:
Selin monarch Italy peaceful,
Realms united by the Christian King of the World:
Dying he will want to lie in Blois soil,
After having chased the pirates from the sea.

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Here Nostradamus comments on a few of the accomplishments of my enlightened reign as Ruler of the World; an end to the pirates preying on refugee traffic in the South China Sea, a uniting of the various political factions in Italy into a single stable government, and an end to the nationalistic strife that has wracked the rest of the world in the Twentieth Century. "Selin monarchy" of course, refers to the location of my palace - "Selin" backwards is "Niles" hence my palace will be located in Egypt, near the ruins of a past great civilization. That the future King of the World is referred to as Christian is not meant to be taken literally, of course. It's simply an acknowledgement that this king will embody the values put forth by all of the great religions - peace, forgiveness, and love for one's fellow man. As for Blois, I'll have to look that one up on a map and figure out where I'm going to be buried. Sounds like it might be in France which is a little odd since I haven't been there at all outside of a brief trip to Paris. Oh well.
Century VI, Quatrain 41:
The second chief of the realm of Annemark,
Through those of Frisia and of the British Isle,
Will spend more than one hundred thousand marks,
Exploiting in vain the voyage to Italy.
As always, there will be those who seek to associate their products with another person's accomplishments (Wheaties cereal, of course, is only the best known of these). This quatrain refers to advertisers who will seek to link my work in Italy with their product.... "Political Unity in Italy... Brought to you by... Annemark!" Of course, the ad campaign will go down in history as one of the most dismal failures in all of marketing as well it should.
I think the message here is clear. If you believe in the accuracy of Nostradamus' writings (and you should!), then you must also believe that I will rise to lead the world into a new Golden Age. If on the other hand, you don't really think much for my chances to rule the world, you ought to consider becoming a Nostradamus skeptic.

Claim: A Dallas schoolboy predicted the start of World War III one day before the terrorist attacks on America.
Status: Undetermined.
Origins: This

is another single-source anecdote, the source in this case being the Houston Chronicle, which reported on September 19 that:
The day before terrorists attacked New York and Washington, a fifth-grader in a Dallas suburb told his teacher World War III would begin the next day, school officials have told the FBI.
The boy was absent from school the day of the attacks, Sept. 11, and the following day, but has been at school since then, said Rhonda Lucich, a director of elementary education for the Garland Independent School District.
Lucich said the boy approached his teacher on the afternoon of Sept. 10 and casually told her:
"Tomorrow, World War III will begin. It will begin in the United States, and the United States will lose."
That was all the information the Chronicle provided in the article other than noting that the FBI had been informed. The article didn't report the boy's name or the school he attended, nor did it report whether the FBI investigated the tip and what they found if they did. From the information given, one could not rule out the possibility that the boy's teacher misremembered or misreported what he had said to her the day before, or that the boy typically made statements like the one quoted but no one ever paid much attention to him before. Sure enough, twelve days later, the Chronicle reported in a follow-up article:
Garland Police spokeswoman Stephanie Funk said today that FBI agents interviewed the child's teacher and decided no further investigation was warranted . . .
Steve Knagg, communications director for the Garland Independent School District, last week said the teacher later decided she could not be certain the boy had actually predicted World War III would begin on the same day as the terrorist attacks.
The Dallas boy's "prediction" appears to have been yet another case of general statements being misremembered or afforded greater significance than they merit in light of subsequent events. And even if the boy's words were recalled accurately by his teacher, he said nothing about terrorists or hijackings or New York City; the specifics in his statement — that World War III has begun, and that the "United States will lose" — have yet to prove true.
A similar incident involving a schoolchild was reported in Brooklyn, New York:
In Brooklyn, a high school freshman who recently immigrated from Pakistan was investigated by federal agents after his teacher reported that he had predicted the Trade Center's collapse a week before the towers were attacked.
The student pointed out a third-story window of New Utrecht High School toward the Trade Center and said, "Do you see those two buildings? They won't be standing there next week," according to three police sources and a city official familiar with the investigation. They said the comment came in the midst of a heated political discussion the student was having with his teacher in an English class for Arab-American students.
Once again, however, no follow-up information surfaced to indicate that the boy had any specific foreknowledge of the September 11 attacks:
Federal agents who visited the New Utrecht school questioned the student and his older brother, who also attends there, the sources said. Afterward, the agents tried to question their father, who chastised them for harassing his children, they said.
Police sources said that, after the interviews, the boy's father left for Pakistan. After his departure, investigators conducted a second interview with the boy and his mother, who told them that her son was having psychological problems.

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There....lol.....thats a lot to read....soz about the multiple posts but thats the only way I could get in all in...so....what does everyone think about this?
Could this be true?

[Giiga]

well ill read the rest latter but i doubt that. only if we had a big damn war and everyone had atomic bombs :D

[Anubis]

<_< Credit me dood, i told you who he is :P

but yes, i believe so dood, and it is quite frightning.

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that is actually very possible...with the war in iraq right now....it could possibly get more countries involved in fighting. Possibly the third world war. There would be a possibility that it would be a nuclear war as well...with the weapons of mass destruction talk....you never know these days.

Yes, anubis told me about Nostradamus but I would have found out about him sooner or later:P

d00d stop calling me a d00d lol....f00.....even if u told me about him I beat u! I posted it first....MWUHAHAHAHA....lol....pansy....anyways....lets get back on topic NOW!

[Psych]

actually anubis had a thread about him in discussion one time about the end of the world so he actually did beat you .....lol

[Anubis]

actually anubis had a thread about him in discussion one time about the end of the world so he actually did beat you .....lol

oh yeah, i forgot bout that, thanx Kev :D


anyways i`ll post a more fitting post other than my last:


Yes, Nostradamus' predictions could in fact be true, for he predicted the world war's, Hitler, The Twin towers, the cold war, and many more, he predicted that the third Great war, WWIII would come soon after 9/11, "The War On Terrorism" or the war against Iraq could be the beginning, no one could know exactly, Another person, might have been Nostradamus (sorry, can not remember atm.) Predicted the Earth would end in the year 2012. 8 years from now. as i said, he could be wrong, but there is enough evidence, as clear as day that he could be correct. Unless he had a a very very close to precise Guess, which is highly unlikely. So you decide, for now i concider his predictions True.

[cHilli]

I have restored this thread as it pwns! Shouldnt have been deleted, ill post my views when its all read:)

[[N]eto]

Who would have deleted this?

*will read later*

[cHilli]

The madman deleted it himself:D

Lucky vB3 est ici!

[banzaii.03]

I read it all....AND IT MAKES SENSE...

I can see where ya comin from "dood" lol...

It is all about how you see things awright...

It all comes down to IS THE GLASS HALF EMPTY OR HALF FULL??

its all your interprateion ( and so starts my post lol )...

Cos if i said a week before the Sep 11 attacks....

" The impact will cause the two brothers to fall"

... then you could say...Yah! He got it!

But realy i could be sayin just random rubbish...

And around this point i am goin to dredge the idea of

SCIPT CODES into the convo.

If anyone bothers to read my posts ( which i doubt seeing as they are either all in huge blocks of text or filled with huge spaces...and all of them have lots of "....."....but like Omnicide put it himself...I digress) then you will know about Scipt codes

For everyone who doesnt ( i.e. everyone ) ill say it nice and easy

Say i put " Often man runs on tims uncles limp radio bread"

Now i know that that is gibberish....but im tired and its all i could be botherd to come up with....
But in there is a scipt code.

If you count the 1st and then every 5 after that you get " OMNICIDE"

look : " Often Man ruNs on tIms unCles lImp raDio brEad"

see?? now...in the bible...there are LOADS of these...where words are made from every so many letters.

These have predicted such things as : JFK's death
Saddam Hussein rising to power
World wars

and LOADS of stuff....

I saw a program on it hehehe...
.but anyway
It has predicted loadsa stuff that has become TRUE

And it predicted that in 2006 there will be the end of the world by nucleur holocaust.

Scary eh?

But as i was watching this...they didnt actually tell you WHAT the scipt codes said...

I found this odd as JUST HOW MUCH interpreting did this guy do on this???

Anyway....also...I would like to say at this point that there is a problem with this theory of messages.

In EVERY long bit of text there is scipt codes...

it is inevitable ( mr anderson lol ). This is called the " Moby ****" theory or someit...

This was because some dood showed that he could find text from moby **** in books because of Scipt codes..

This therefore shows that they are RANDOM...

THis fits in with Omni's ( do you mind me calling you that lol ) MONKEY TYPEWRITER theory...

But even though...people have been studying these scipt codes for years and have discovered startling things....

I cant be bothered to tell you them though....lol

anyways....

this all shows that it all depends on how you see things...

In the scipt codes there will be hundreds of meaningless codes....

but its whether you wanna say the glass is half empty or half full...

do you beleive in the loads that dont mean anything or the few that could be VERY IMPORTANT...it all depends....bring on 2006 and we'll see eh??


Is the glass half full or half empty?? well if your too busy doin philosophy...do you mind if i down it? lol

[cHilli]

Very interesting post Banzaii!

But you cant exactly look for codes in his writing because they are translated, and they could even mean something totally different in the proper language. More than likely there are double meanings across the board. If its translated into english and has double meanings you can imagine that it will mean other things in the source language aswell.

Lets say; In your first quote he uses the word:

'enfermee'

Enfer in french means Hell so is it possible that he was actually hinting that everyone is bound to hell? :P

[<~Darkshadow~>]

i deleted it bcuz an00bis said he made one and i was confoozed...lol

[banzaii.03]

lol no bother...it has been BORN AGAIN lol...but back to topic...er..

I get what ya mean C...cos i see that it could easily translate to someit totally dif. in a different language...