Why do people go goth?

[Vipershark]

Why?

I don't get it.

[Annihilator Knight]

Why?

I don't get it.

Cause they just do..

[Laguna Loire]

I was tempted to myself at one point...hahah, I'm not sure why...a ploy for attention I suppose. -_-

Ehh, who cares?

[Antownee]

They feel that way ffs, use your brain
Anyway, I wear all that buckle stuff and whatnot
MeH basicly a dark taste in clothing

[The Latias Master]

My neighbour is around 13 or 14 and she was a nerd! She had round glasses and brown hair and girly blue and pink clothes. All of a sudden she started wearing black clothes, jewlerry, shoes, black eyeliner and she died her hair black. She wears no glasses now. I thought she was turning gothic.

[Laguna Loire]

Urgh, everyone expects me to wear spike bands and be covered in black clothing all the time because of the music I'm into...so because I'm into Death Metal I have to dress in black all the time and have long hair? Bull****...I can't be bothered, I just wear casual clothes with messy, normal black hair.

[Invader_gir]

gothic people dont have to wear black anyway..
most cases ive heard of people turning gothic is that they want to fade away from the public sort of like a shadow, hence the dark clothing. some people just do it for attention though; they annoy me >:I

[HRBEK]

And some of course who join those weird Gothic Cults that have Black Masses. I really don't want to explain what that is, but it is quite humourous.

Thanks,
HRBEK.

[Hatchet Warrior]

most people don't even know what being gothic really is anyway

[Invader_gir]

indeed, and that really annoys me.
also 'emo' peoples.. they annoy me too

[Hatchet Warrior]

people think they r devil worshippers when they r goth but, being gothic really is a christian religion, true goths wear black because they r mourning the death of jesus

[Danzo]

people go goth because certain things attract certain people.

other people just want attention.

[Antownee]

most people don't even know what being gothic really is anyway

'Most goths become goths because they have been spurned by 'normal' society because the way they want to live their lives does not fit in with how most people are told to live theirs. Goths are free thinkers, people who do not accept the moral rules of society because they're told 'This is just how it is' or 'This is what God says!'. Rather goths tend to listen to what you have to say, and make up their own mind'

Meh i just ,like the clothes so i'm not one lol

[Soba]

Being a goth or an emo is a stereotype, a label.

Just because I wear black and chains doesn't make me a 'goth' or 'punk' or whatever it is people think. I prefer to not be labelled.

That goes for other people too. Because they wear different clothes or listen to heavy music or rap, doesn't mean they are labelled as something.

I'm not annoyed by any of the people that call themselves something, you can be as whino or rebellious as you want. Why? Because I'm flexible and like to be openminded to different people. I don't like to judge people.

Besides, some people don't match the label they give themselves.

Definitions for labels:

Goth (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=goth)
Punk (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=punk)
...I found the Punk slang funny.
Emo (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=emo)
Gangster (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gangster)
Prep (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=prep)
Skater (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=skater)
Rebel (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=rebel)
Nerd (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=nerd)
Poser (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=poser)

[Invader_gir]

ive been told im gothique, which i dont really think so.. for one; i dont really believe in god and such, but i do believe in spirits and afterlife and them thingies.. and saying that i dont believe in a god isnt saying that i dont believe theres something there [o.o]
thus, i dont follow the 'christen' thing, as you say hatchet..

although, ive been given this label of being 'goth' at college because im usually more than happy to just be by my self every now and again.. and ive been told that im very 'distant' and the like, so people are aware of these actions i do and thus ive been told that i am gothique, as they say..

eh?

[Annihilator Knight]

Well i belive in god...I'm not lying...I pray like every night...forgiving sins...sometimes I don't..so i forgive that...I may be an idiot who likes to be a jerk...that doesn't mean I'm christen...

This is shocking..a lunatic who belives in god...is there even one phycho who even velives hell or heaven excits?...never mind...i'll shut up..


I have no clue why i had to post this little secret...

[Hatchet Warrior]

'Most goths become goths because they have been spurned by 'normal' society because the way they want to live their lives does not fit in with how most people are told to live theirs. Goths are free thinkers, people who do not accept the moral rules of society because they're told 'This is just how it is' or 'This is what God says!'. Rather goths tend to listen to what you have to say, and make up their own mind'

Meh i just ,like the clothes so i'm not one lol

those r just rebels

[falken]

i think its because they think they have no porpouse to anything

[The Latias Master]

My friend turned goth. Loads of people in 1st year turn goth. I died my hair black for halloween for a couple of weeks and I wear black clothes sometimes.

[Cid Highwind]

I would love to tell why people turn goth...I really would
But, it would probably shock some of you who think you are goth

So I really should just keep my mouth shut

[The Latias Master]

I know I'm not goth, but I hope I don't turn into one. Especially next year. Whats the secret?

[Annihilator Knight]

I would love to tell why people turn goth...I really would
But, it would probably shock some of you who think you are goth

So I really should just keep my mouth shut

I don't care if i'm goth or not...so why do people turn goth?..aw comon tell me at least :)

[The Latias Master]

Do goths believe in God?

[Danzo]

i'm sure theres nothing stopping a goth believing in god...

its not like they are a seperate species.. >.o

heres a question.. why do people turn chav?
scum of society.

[Vipershark]

I would love to tell why people turn goth...I really would
But, it would probably shock some of you who think you are goth

So I really should just keep my mouth shut

Yes, please tell.

[Annihilator Knight]

Do goths believe in God?

Oh no..They worship the devil, they always pray to the devil as if you were praying to god..

Gothic is probally like the oppisite of Christians...doens't matter if you don't look like them...if you pray to the devil, you probally are gothic..

[Danzo]

i hope that was sarcasm

[Invader_gir]

Oh no..They worship the devil, they always pray to the devil as if you were praying to god..

Gothic is probally like the oppisite of Christians...doens't matter if you don't look like them...if you pray to the devil, you probally are gothic..
so do i, dan..

funny though, if you are saying that like you are being honest, that you say that then although before you claim to have no idea about hy they 'turn' gothique..

anyway, cid.. i want to hear of this theory =D

[Stuart_the_game]

Oh no..They worship the devil, they always pray to the devil as if you were praying to god..

Gothic is probally like the oppisite of Christians...doens't matter if you don't look like them...if you pray to the devil, you probally are gothic..
yup thats true :-)

[Invader_gir]

if you seriously believe that, youve got a fair bit to learn, my friend..

[Danzo]

yup thats true

i want to drop heavy things on people like you.....

heavy things like... piano's ........grrr fear the threat >.<

[Annihilator Knight]

..hey didn't i write down that i never said that?..hmm..

But thats not where i got that info from..it was when i was talking to Crispy about life/death and evil/good...some girl BUTS in our conversation and says that gothic (our topic) belived in the devil..

Besides i don't care about gothic, christians..whoevers...wait..I'm a christian! ._.

[Invader_gir]

nice to care that you dont care about letting people believe their on things..
the girl deserves to die, painfully.. these people whom worship the devil might look like gothic people, but thats part of their beliefs to look and act like that (majority of the time) and this other people, so said 'gothics' sometimes tend to look simular, but that dont mean they are..
two totally different things, eh

[Soba]

I would love to tell why people turn goth...I really would
But, it would probably shock some of you who think you are goth

So I really should just keep my mouth shut

>.>
What you say might just put an end to the whole people turning goth thing for the wrong reasons and whatnot.


._. But I guess since I'm not goth, I wouldn't understand...

[Danzo]

people go goth because it appeals to them, either friends are doing it or they want to stand out.etc. Same as anyother social group. simple as.

[The Latias Master]

AK sounds as if he dosen't believe in God.

[Laguna Loire]

Hah! Satanism or being a Goth is nothing to do with simply worshipping Satan...it's another way of life, do some research or something before you go around saying stuff about what Gods people following a certain faith worship...

People get the general impression that Satanists worship Satan because of the name of the faith, "Satanism", but it's not like that...I see people going around covered in black and saying they're a Satanist, pretending to chant to Satan and ****...they don't know a goddamn thing...

www.satanism101.com

There's a start... -_-

[Danzo]

AK sounds as if he dosen't believe in God.

eh? who? o.0

[Invader_gir]

eh? who? o.0
annihilator knight

[[stick-jây-tee]]

gothique..

anyway, cid.. i want to hear of this theory =D
Gothique? Hehe.



I doubt Cid'll have it. Goth isn't a way of life. Goth is a style. Gothic architexture refers to the style of the Middle Ages. Gothic literature deals with grotesque, often morbid situations (dragons too). Gothic art is much like the architexture, lots of arches and such, also has it's own time period but I can't remember which (probably Middle Ages as well, but I can't say for sure). When someone mentions goth music they're usually referring to Baroque (form of music popular during the waning of classical), or metal, people refer to that as gothic music too. Gothic fashion is (for the most part) black on white (dark clothes, pale skin).


In a sense, you could call it a life style because to "go" goth in all aspects of it, you would listen to the music, dress like they dress, read what they read, etc., but really it's a style, not a way of life. The only reasons for doing so is that the style appeals to you or you just want to fit in (is the goth craze still going on?).



*Edit* Oh yeah, and Gothic doesn't include a religion of any sort. However, if you want to get picky, during the Middle Ages and the time after (when the goth style was at it's peak), most people believed in Christianity, instead of worshiping the devil (to whoever said that).

[Nitrous]

Goth, Moshers... meh all look the same to me, people think I'm a mosher for the type of music.. for example... linkin Park, Nirvana, red hot chilli peppers and some Korn stuff. But I also like Rap music... Eminem, Dre, 50 Cent ect.

being Gothic or a mosher is just somone's personal style thats all it is and as for chavs/skally well they can burn in hell lol

[Annihilator Knight]

AK sounds as if he dosen't believe in God.

I don't care who i believe...i just want to get on with life..

[Danzo]

as for chavs/skally well they can burn in hell lol

DAMN STRAIGHT

[Sister of Metal]

gothic is a descendant of a naturereligion such as witchcraft and stuff, though because of the medieval look ( and in those times the catholic belief overruled)people started to label it as 'gothic' and said it to wear crosses. Though also, gothic is related to worshipping the devil which is a clearly shout 'HEATHEN!' so this relates back to the nature religion...( so worshipping devil is a very bold statement cuz comon, is believing in more gods the same as worshipping devils -_-' the whole idea of witches worshipping devils is crap btw....but I wont go lecture again >_>)
It's too bad that these...'neo-goths' dont even know what its all about anymore, they just dont get the point....think they're cool and stuff...
I respect the true goths, who knows that its all about, who know whats behind it and who know what they're doing,....too bad there aren't much of them now -_-'

[[stick-jây-tee]]

I do believe you're confusing goth with Wiccan. (Maybe not, but with something other than goth)
Goth = style(nothing to do with a religion of any sort), Wicca = witchcraft like religion.

[Cid Highwind]

']Gothique? Hehe.



I doubt Cid'll have it. Goth isn't a way of life. Goth is a style. Gothic architexture refers to the style of the Middle Ages. Gothic literature deals with grotesque, often morbid situations (dragons too). Gothic art is much like the architexture, lots of arches and such, also has it's own time period but I can't remember which (probably Middle Ages as well, but I can't say for sure). When someone mentions goth music they're usually referring to Baroque (form of music popular during the waning of classical), or metal, people refer to that as gothic music too. Gothic fashion is (for the most part) black on white (dark clothes, pale skin).


In a sense, you could call it a life style because to "go" goth in all aspects of it, you would listen to the music, dress like they dress, read what they read, etc., but really it's a style, not a way of life. The only reasons for doing so is that the style appeals to you or you just want to fit in (is the goth craze still going on?).



*Edit* Oh yeah, and Gothic doesn't include a religion of any sort. However, if you want to get picky, during the Middle Ages and the time after (when the goth style was at it's peak), most people believed in Christianity, instead of worshiping the devil (to whoever said that).

You have no idea how modern society works then.
Only thing you just did is state facts that most of us already know.
I was refering to the original question that was asked, so before you doubt me, please don't state my name in these posts to try and make a stronger point.
Goth has absolutely nothing to do with Dragons and/or arches, that's just random stuff.

USA, please be happy, in the US, Goth, isn't half as popular as it is here.

[[stick-jây-tee]]

With that post, you proved my point.


Why do people go goth?
That was the original question. Sure I didn't answer the question. Why? Because the answer is simple; they like that style, want to fit in (since it's getting rather popular), or want to be unique (I think this reason's hilarious seeing that they're doing more conforming than being unique. . .). Maybe I did say that, it sounds familiar to me, but I don't really feel like scrolling down to see if I mentioned it.
Why did I put it how I did and at the same time call out your "reason" before you even put it? Everybody (and I'm sure your's would be a lot like everyone else's) treated it like a lifestyle itself, or a religion. Both of which are far from the truth.

Why do I say you proved my point?
Only thing you just did is state facts that most of us already know.
By calling them "facts," you have are saying that what I said is truth. That being said, everyone here, including you for that last post, is completely wrong. Thank you for that :).
Oh, and if you all knew these facts already, then why are they all treating it as a religion? Either they didn't know them (while indeed they should have), or they chose to ignore them. Either way, they needed to be informed/reminded.

I never said goth and dragons/arches were synonymous. I said that gothic style architecture often involves arches (I don't care who you are, you can't truthfully say that you don't agree with that 100%) and gothic style art and literature often involves dragons (look at the last parenthasis).


That USA comment you put trying to belittle me was quite effective. It really destroyed my credibility 100%, except for the fact that the popularity of "goths" in your region does not change what goth is. Nice try though.



You have no idea how modern society works then.
Oh how below the belt that was. You probably expected some commented like "ughhh no you!" Too bad, I'm not giving you that satisfaction. I could mention how my psychology and sociology professors very much disagree with you. When people who specialize in how people and society work tell me I've got quite a grip on it, I would trust them a bit more than some random kid on an internet forum. That would shoot down the one sentence in your post that I haven't already gotten too, so I think I'll not mention it. . . Oh wait, I already did.





I wasn't asking for some smart ass comment from my post. I was stating facts (as you put it).

[Cid Highwind]

With that post, you proved my point.
That was the original question. Sure I didn't answer the question. Why? Because the answer is simple; they like that style, want to fit in (since it's getting rather popular), or want to be unique (I think this reason's hilarious seeing that they're doing more conforming than being unique. . .). Maybe I did say that, it sounds familiar to me, but I don't really feel like scrolling down to see if I mentioned it.
Why did I put it how I did and at the same time call out your "reason" before you even put it? Everybody (and I'm sure your's would be a lot like everyone else's) treated it like a lifestyle itself, or a religion. Both of which are far from the truth.

Then finally I can hear your answer now in this small statement, and I can slightly agree on what you say here, but there are many more reasons ofcourse. In every culture it can be whole different thing.

Why do I say you proved my point?

By calling them "facts," you have are saying that what I said is truth. That being said, everyone here, including you for that last post, is completely wrong. Thank you for that :).
Oh, and if you all knew these facts already, then why are they all treating it as a religion? Either they didn't know them (while indeed they should have), or they chose to ignore them. Either way, they needed to be informed/reminded.

What you just said I've heard so many people say as well, let's call it the general facts, I've never said that your facts were false or lies, please don't twist my words.
I know most of these members get the general facts that you just stated, but that does not answer the question at all, acting like a know-it-all doesn't answer this. And by the sound of your reaction, you haven't found these things out yourself.

I never said goth and dragons/arches were synonymous. I said that gothic style architecture often involves arches (I don't care who you are, you can't truthfully say that you don't agree with that 100%) and gothic style art and literature often involves dragons (look at the last parenthasis).

This is like saying that Hiphoppers involves cars. (Ofcourse exagurated, keep ur pants on)
These are perfect examples of petty claims though. claims that are being spread this way so the next day someone will read this and say, well, a Goth is a person whole likes Dragons and Arches. Getting so sick of claims like that.



That USA comment you put trying to belittle me was quite effective. It really destroyed my credibility 100%, except for the fact that the popularity of "goths" in your region does not change what goth is. Nice try though.

By the gods man!? Are you paranoid? This wasn't aimed at you at all, I had no clue you were from the US, ofcourse it does not change what a goth is, for gods sake please read the first post and what the question exactly is.
Please don't try to sound smart by putting up petty claims like these.




Oh how below the belt that was. You probably expected some commented like "ughhh no you!" Too bad, I'm not giving you that satisfaction. I could mention how my psychology and sociology professors very much disagree with you. When people who specialize in how people and society work tell me I've got quite a grip on it, I would trust them a bit more than some random kid on an internet forum. That would shoot down the one sentence in your post that I haven't already gotten too, so I think I'll not mention it. . . Oh wait, I already did.

Don't act so pathetic man, trying to make me look bad this way? below the belt? hah. If you think this is a blow to you, wake up and smell real life.

I don't know in what fantasy world you live in but ''I could mention how my psychology and sociology professors very much disagree with you'' has nothing to do with what you think, or what you just posted, no need to hide behind your professors for this one.





I wasn't asking for some smart ass comment from my post. I was stating facts (as you put it).

And then what may I call these?
This is an open discussion, posting here means I can comment on petty claims and comments, even like this last one here.


But anyway,
@Invy: I remember a kind of similar thread at ThatForum(MGO) long ago, do you remember any of it?

[Cid Highwind]

hey, who closed this? I finally could discuss something in like months, awwman

Well, add me on MSN Stick, I want to hear ''Your'' answers and not some Professor's or facts.

[Sister of Metal]

hmmm who closed?

anywya, stick I know what I'm talking about, but believe whatever you like ofcourse, it are all opinions here...just as everyone has their own reason to 'go goth'
so its always gonna be a matter of opinion and own reasons....