Story on God

[Forte.Exe]

An explanation

This is one of the best explanations of why God allows pain and suffering
that I have seen. It's an explanation all people will understand.


A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed. As
the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation. They
talked about so many things and various subjects.

When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said:

"I don't believe that God exists."

"Why do you say that?" asked the customer.

"Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn't
exist. Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would
there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be neither
suffering nor pain. I can't imagine a loving God who would allow all of
these things."

The customer thought for a moment, but didn't respond because he didn't want
to start an argument. The barber finished his job and the customer left the
shop. Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with
long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and
unkempt.

The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to
the barber: "You know what? Barbers do not exist."

"How can you say that?" asked the surprised barber. "I am here, and I am a
barber. And I just worked on you!"

"No!" the customer exclaimed. "Barbers don't exist because if they did,
there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like
that man outside."

"Ah, but barbers DO exist! What happens is, people do not come to me."

"Exactly!"- affirmed the customer. "That's the point! God, too, DOES exist!
What happens, is, people don't go to Him and do not look for Him. That's
why there's so much pain and suffering in the world."

saw it on my friends myspace and thought you guys would wanna read it

[Invader_gir]

heres something you can consider.. this is what i believe. (taken from some site that i cant find (copied the entire thing to word.. if you want a copy just PM me or something)

Occam's razor was formulated by William of Occam (1285-1349) and says: "Non est ponenda pluralites size necessitate" or in English: "Do not multiply entities unless necessarily". It is a principle for scientific labor which means that one should use a simple explanation with a few explanatory premises before a more complex one.

Let's say that everything must be created, and that was done by an omnipotent god. A god which stands above time, space, moral and existence, which is self containing and in it self has it's own cause. This entity can surely be replaced by the known world. The world stands above time, space, moral, existence, is self containing and in it has its own meaning. Most theists agree that god has a nature. Then we must raise the question: who created god's nature? If we just accept that god has a nature and exists without a cause, why not say that the known world just is and that the laws of physics are what they are, without a cause?

God is not really an explanation, only a non-explanation. It is impossible to gain information from non-information so God as an explanation is a dead end. When we have said that the reason for something is that 'god did it that way' there is no way to understand it any further. We just shrug our shoulders and accept things as they are. To explain the unknown by god is only to explain how it happened, not why. If we are to investigate the world and build our views of life from the world, we cannot assume a god. Because adding god as an explanation leaves as many, if not more questions then it explains god has to be removed with Occam's razor if we are serious in investigating the world

Some things are impossible to do:

There are things that are impossible to do. For example nobody can cover a two-dimensional surface with two-dimensional circles, without making them overlap. It is impossible to add the numbers two and two and get 666. You can not go back in time (without passing an infinite entropy barrier). The number of things that are impossible to do are almost infinite. If god were to be almighty he would be able to do them, but it's impossible to do so.

Some people say that he can only do things that are logically possible to do, but what is? Is it logically possible to walk on water? Is it logically possible to rise from the dead? Is it logically possible to stand above time, space and all other dimensions - and still exist? I'd say that everything which violates the laws of physics is logically impossible and thus omnipotence is logically impossible. Besides if omnipotence is a relative quality there is no way to tell omnipotence from non-omnipotence. For omnipotence to be a valid expression it must be absolute, but we have no objective criteria to measure omnipotence so the word itself is useless.

Also, if god knows everything, he knows what he will do in the "future" (in any dimension, not necessary the time dimension). He must have known that from the very start of his own existence. Thus god's actions are predestined. God is tied by faith, he has no free will. If god has no free will god is not omnipotent. Another way to put it is that to be able to make plans and decisions one must act over time. If god stands above time he can not do that and has no free will. Indeed, if god stands above all dimensions god is dimensionless - a singularity, nothing, void!

Besides there can exist no free wills at all if god is almighty. If you had a free will, god wouldn't know what you would do tomorrow and wouldn't be omnipotent.

[Forte.Exe]

so much for a simple explanation lol
but i get what it is saying

[Invader_gir]

so much for a simple explanation lol
but i get what it is saying
its proof.. i asked 'doctor of thuganomics' to counter what i said and give proof there is a god. that said, why doesnt anyone post some evidence? why dont you?

[Forte.Exe]

well that story only shows on what humans think
back in the 1400s humanity thougth it was impossible to sail around the the world since it was "flat" but they were proved wrong as they learned more information.
people use to think there was no way to get to the moon they were also wrong as techonolgy advanced.

we cannot officialy declare if there is or isnt a god until we know everything about this univers, we dont even know a percent of the things the universe holds

[Good Ol' Redneck]

An explanation

This is one of the best explanations of why God allows pain and suffering
that I have seen. It's an explanation all people will understand.


A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed. As
the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation. They
talked about so many things and various subjects.

When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said:

"I don't believe that God exists."

"Why do you say that?" asked the customer.

"Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn't
exist. Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would
there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be neither
suffering nor pain. I can't imagine a loving God who would allow all of
these things."

The customer thought for a moment, but didn't respond because he didn't want
to start an argument. The barber finished his job and the customer left the
shop. Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with
long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and
unkempt.

The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to
the barber: "You know what? Barbers do not exist."

"How can you say that?" asked the surprised barber. "I am here, and I am a
barber. And I just worked on you!"

"No!" the customer exclaimed. "Barbers don't exist because if they did,
there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like
that man outside."

"Ah, but barbers DO exist! What happens is, people do not come to me."

"Exactly!"- affirmed the customer. "That's the point! God, too, DOES exist!
What happens, is, people don't go to Him and do not look for Him. That's
why there's so much pain and suffering in the world."

saw it on my friends myspace and thought you guys would wanna read it


thank you, i really needed one of yall to say soemthin like that and this is the best explination that i have ever heard about god...

[BUFF]

heres my extremely simple explanation: people in the past were very stupid and clueless and did not know wat a lot of things were and couldnt understand a lot of things and then some crazy people came up with the "god" concept and thought that there was an almighty being who created every thing and they used that to explain things. these people preached to the nieve population and gained followers and these people passed their faiths down through the generations and its been continuely passed down the generations and thats why people today believe in god

[Forte.Exe]

you have anything to back that story up?

[Laguna Loire]

****, isn't it common sense?

The Bible did not descend from the heavens, it was man-made. Where is the proof that God even exists? In the Bible? The Bible written by MAN? Hah! Read the words of Anton LaVey (I can't be bothered to go upstairs, find the Satanic Bible, find the page and type in the exact quote, but this is basically what he says) - the Christian Bible was man-made. Therefore, by proxy, are you not worshipping the mortal who wrote the Bible? I ask you...why do you worship one who held the exact same power as you do now?

Why do we suffer? Two explanations:

1. God doesn't exist (VERY LIKELY).
2. God hates us all (as Slayer eloquently puts it :P).

[BUFF]

^nuff said

[Sesshy]

Not tyring to start argument but..........


God indeed is very true.God loves us all if he hated us We would all be in hell now.If theres no good,what will we be when we die.Nothing but Enternal Darkness.If there was no god,and only the devil,what would the world be like now.Complete Chaos.Adamn and Eve was created by god and thus they kept reproducing(having babys)and then there childre had babies nd so on and so on.I know someobdy is probably gonna say We can from Gorillas and from cavemen but if something cause the dinosaurs to be extenct woundt cavemen be with them thus another question to solve.

[Laguna Loire]

^ That's all well and good, but WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?

Think logically about it. Have you ever seen God? Have you ever heard him? Has he ever literally answered your prayers?

I thought not.

And btw, look around you. The world IS in complete chaos. We are surrounded by war and poverty even as we speak. How can you say there is a loving god when we live in a world like this?

[Invader_gir]

im not saying that god isnt real but satan is.. god, satan, jesus.. its all bullshіt. sure, jesus could have existed and just been some average guy with schizophrenia, but ive seen a few things that argue with that on a group on last.fm im in.

1)There is no record of Herod killing all the under 2s. People have recorded other atrocities committed by him yet curiously leave this one out.

2)There is no record of census in Herod's time either. In any case, the rule saying you have to be in your hometown on Census night is an Egyptian one not Roman.

3) How exactly do you follow a star as the 3 wise men supposedly did. Try it and see.

4) There is no record of a place called Nazareth at the time of Jesus' supposed birth.

5) The bible authors Paul, Mark and John didn't know the Jesus birth story.

6) Jesus supposedly performed miracles to crowds of thousands, yet none of these thousands of people felt compelled to tell others or to write about it.

7) The historian Philo visited Jerusalem many times during Jesus' supposed life and mentions all about local occurences at the time. Yet he fails to mention anything about the supposedly famous Jesus let alone his miracles.

8) The bible author Paul doesn't seem to know about Jesus' miracles either - since he doesn't mention them.

9) There are no records of Jesus' trial, in spite of the fact that it would have been big news at the time. Jesus being spat on would have been as scandalous then as a Supreme court judge spitting on the defendant would be now. Yet nobody wrote about it.

10) There are no records of a Jesus, son of Joseph being crucified by Pontus Pilate (though there are considerable records of other less 'famous' crims who received that punishment

11) Nobody felt the need to record that zombies were walking the streets of Jerusalem after Jesus' death. Wouldn't this be pretty major news?.

12) Nobody recorded an earthquake in Jerusalem after his death either yet similar earthquakes several years earlier were recorded.

god is bullshіt, satan is worse and jesus is schizophrenic

[Forte.Exe]

^ That's all well and good, but WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?

Think logically about it. Have you ever seen God? Have you ever heard him? Has he ever literally answered your prayers?

I thought not.

And btw, look around you. The world IS in complete chaos. We are surrounded by war and poverty even as we speak. How can you say there is a loving god when we live in a world like this?

well whers your proof?
have you ever seen him? i guess no so how can you be so sure he exist?
have you heard him? no you havent
has he answered your prayers? yes guess what i have gotten a few answered

and about your last few statements...did you not read my first post?
in order for god to help us we have to go to him.

[Laguna Loire]

I said LITERALLY answered your prayers! Which means he has to verbally answer them. So what if you've prayed for something and it's happened? That isn't physical, logical proof that God exists.

So, by your logic, if everyone on this planet prays to God, everything will be alright? All suffering will be over, just like that? Gee. That sounds dandy. I think I'll go upstairs, pray, then tell all my friends on MSN to do the same and hope they don't laugh at me!

"God" is a crutch for the weak-minded. 'If you have a problem, talk to God, and it'll be alright' they say. If you're weak, fine, you pray to an imaginary being. I choose not to do so.

And btw, again, about your first post - you got that from a friend's Myspace. A MYSPACE. ****in' reliable source you got there...

**** faith. **** Jesus. **** Christianity. Hail Satan (also known as common sense).

---

Apologies if I'm being a tad too aggressive in this debate, it's just that when people come up to me sprouting crap about God coming to save us all, it gets me pissed off.

[Forte.Exe]

well why would god need to verbaly answer my prayer? when he can do do it.
and it doesnt matter where that story comes from it still means the same

and you have not showed any proof that he doesnt exist

just because YOUR prayers arent answered doesnt mean he doesnt exist.

and no, if everyone prays to god that doesnt mean they'll all come true because everyone doesnt deserve it in god eyes.

[[N]eto]

Hey, all. This is God speaking.

I want to tell you all to stop listening to any sort of religion. Stop praying to me and kissing my ass. I'm dead tired of it! It's been hundreds, nearly thousands of years that I've had to put up with this.

Tell you what you should really do. Apply your life to yourself. Your suffering, your joy, your pains and your gains, everything. Look into the goodness of it. Go out and do some good for yourself and then others. Then will you achieve true happiness and die happy. Not by kissing my ass, not by following religion, not by going to church every Sunday and then being a **** for the rest of the week.

Wait! Better yet, I do not exist in the way that those religious fanatics believe I do -- neither does Satan or any other holy being. True, there are things even I can't explain, but that is no reason to create an all powerful being that makes no sense at all. So, please, listen to yourself. All you need to make anything good happen in life is yourself, so stop being selfish little monkeys and start working for a better, more open-minded future now!

[Invader_gir]

fυck faith. fυck Jesus. fυck Christianity. Hail Satan (also known as common sense).

hell yeah.. fυckin' christianity

as i said before, 'god' is meant to be above time and dimentions, so he can see into the future (in any dimention). therefore he would be able to hear prayers and fix things so that the prayer would have never had to be said. this would be the only way that he could fix things up and not give himself away like he has done thus far. if he fixed everything up so that the prayer would never be said, then he didnt have anything to work about, thus he never fixed anything. it's its own paradox

[Laguna Loire]

well why would god need to verbaly answer my prayer? when he can do do it.
and it doesnt matter where that story comes from it still means the same

and you have not showed any proof that he doesnt exist

just because YOUR prayers arent answered doesnt mean he doesnt exist.

and no, if everyone prays to god that doesnt mean they'll all come true because everyone doesnt deserve it in god eyes.

Yeah, alright, fair enough. But where's your proof that he DOES exist? And don't use the ol' "my prayers have been answered" because that is NOT evidence that he exists. I'm talkin' solid, concrete evidence that he exists, such as actually hearing him.

This debate is...pointless. We all have our reasons for and against, and this debate'll ultimately go nowhere seeing as how there is absolutely NO concrete proof to indefinitely prove that he does or doesn't exist...carry on if you wish, but I'm tired of it after 4 posts...I've better things to do with my time. :)

[Invader_gir]

my prayers have been answered.. BY YOUR FACE!

[Laguna Loire]

^ ROFL! Huzzuh! :P

[Nanaki]

I agree with ye that Christianity IS bull****.
I also agrre with the fact that a person called Jesus lived (and that he had the right idea morally) but all that **** about his divinity etc. EVERYTHING is lies.

People say that God does exist, you have no faith blahdy-blahdy-blah.
But all of this can be proved wrong!
It's not as if all people opposed to Christianity are going on guesswork and the fact that they don't like the religion!!!

And anyway, the Roman-Catholic Church is a majorly ****ing corrupted system....
I'm too lazy to go into it but basically, if priests take a vow of poverty, can someone PLEASE explain how the fcuk the Vatican is what it is, and how the hell the Pope can wear prada and gucci?!
Also, if all people are equal, regardless of EVERYTHING (this is according to the apparent founder of the damn thing) then why in the Church's eye's, are all criminals, homo***uals, and other people condemned?

And one last thing that is sooooo wrong it's unbeliveable
Why are women not allowed to join the clergy? (become priests I mean)
It's amazing that in this age of "political correctness" and "gender equality" (especially in the workplace) that women cannot obtain a role in their religion higher than someone attending the services.
It's also highly possible that women would do the job infinetely better than men.


Even though I have just defended the thing about women, don't get me wrong, I detest Christianity - even if it has the right idea morally. I unforunately think that if Christianity were overthrown, it would simply add to the chaos that is our train wreck of a civilisation.

That's all :)

[BUFF]

YOU SINNERS SHALL BURN IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!!! (sarcasm)
there is no god and all that sh!t, if u belive in god ur either 1) crazy 2)high/drunk 3) ignorent as fu[k 4) a nieve dumb@ss

[Annihilator Knight]

My theory, I believe in god in some bizarre way.. but I don't worship him/them/it..

God maybe exists in some form, but he/they/it lets humanity go their own ways.. basicly it was our fault (well, the greedy, crazy and idiotic people such as Bush) that the world is in chaos.. hell, we created nukes.. we created guns, swords and weapons.. why should god correct our mistakes? Our will, our choice.. we created wars and chaos.. it was our fault.. don't rely on god to go and save our world from our choices and mistakes.. instead, focus on reality for once, you stupid selfish christians (some christians are just complete @$$holes who don't give a sh!t but emselves..) ..

I believe in god, but I don't believe that he's a hero or savior in any way.. I also don't believe in heaven nor hell, I just believe that once we die, we just become ghosts and wander around the world for eternity.. (yes, I believe in weird things..)

If someone said something a little similar to this, well.. sorry for repeating it..

[~Felly~]

**** faith. **** Jesus. **** Christianity. Hail Satan (also known as common sense).

Yes, let's hail Satan. *bows* (Yeah, we all know I was joking around with that.)

Anyways, I don't believe in God or Satan. *shrugs* I'm actually not religious at all. And I'm being truthful with this. I say, we fu(k it all, and continue on with our lives.

[Invader_gir]

i dont believe in god or satan either (obviously).. but what christians say that satan stands for is some of the best logic ever.. like living life the way you want it more or less.

not following a book of which to live your life by

[Forte.Exe]

YOU SINNERS SHALL BURN IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!!! ( 1) crazy 2)high/drunk 3) ignorent as fu[k 4) a nieve dumb@ss

ok i actually find that insulting
please explain these accusations

[~Felly~]

Well, he did say that he was joking... *rereads* I mean using sarcasm with the sinners thing. As for numbers 3 and 4, naive dumb@sses and people that are ignorant doesn't mean that they believe or don't believe in God... They could be something else, you know.

1) crazy 2)high/drunk

What if you already are crazy and/or high/drunk? (High for me...)

[[N]eto]

High? Do you even know what it means to be high?

[~Felly~]

I think it means you're like really really hyper off something. *shrugs* I don't really care because I don't really use the word alot.

[BUFF]

ok i actually find that insulting
please explain these accusations
alright, i may hav been a little offensive by saying it like that but i tell it like it is

I think it means you're like really really hyper off something. *shrugs* I don't really care because I don't really use the word alot.
-_-'..........should i tell her?

[Forte.Exe]

yes please tell her, i want a good laugh

[Invader_gir]

haha.. nah, dont tell her; make her suffer =P

[Annihilator Knight]

What if you already are crazy and/or high/drunk? (High for me...)

I laughed at this.. :P Lol! Too young to get high, FEL!..

^Brilliant idea.. sides, she's kinda young to know what high means.. seeing she doesn't know what it means..

[Sister of Metal]

story on GOD remember.....

[Nitrous]

Bless FEL's little cotton socks lol

I dont belive in GOD at all but I know people that do. I never disrespect them and so all I ask is that they dont start talking to me about it. and when these guys http://www.carm.org/witnesses.htm come to my front door I either.

A. Not answer the door unless they have seen me
B. Tell them I go to church every Sunday and all the rest of it... they go rather soon
C. Tell them I'm not intrested but recieve yet another mini bible... :mad:

[Invader_gir]

had some come over yesterday
i just stood at the door staring at them holding onto my inverted cross pendant neck thing.. they soon seemed to get the idea and left

[Nanaki]

^ XP nice one Kelsi :P

[Nova]

God is real and thats that. I know people who don't believe and people who keepgoing aroun saying: "I'll only believe once I get proof"

Heres my proof: Is the Jesus story not real to you guys. I know someone might say:" That was just made up for people to worship nothing" The accounts of the bible of the new testament are all too real.

Other people say: "People of the past believed in many gods but none of those gods are true." well thats because people of the past were unintelligent beings that created gods for their own amazement.

The only thing that i dont belive is the book of revelation. What I do believe is that those events will evntually happen but will not happen in the fashion in which the bible states. Also i heard the little thing that people use bible as an acronym for

Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. Thats exactly what i think the bible is for. So I dont wanna start an arguement, but I believe in God and friggin proud of it

Also praying to god doesnt mean your prayers will be answered. It all depends on how you are in life. Many people have faced harsh times. The thing they did to get through them was to pray. After, they were saved. want more proof on god answering prayers. read The Hiding Place.

[Invader_gir]

^ do you believe in devine aid?

[Cid Highwind]

Ah my friends, it's easy to act tough and deny now.
But once it's all over and you are in his presence you will all fall to your knees and cry.

[Invader_gir]

i just cant see how god could be real..
just doesnt make sence =/

[Forte.Exe]

it doesnt have to make sense, if god didnt create everything what did?
what doesnt make sense is theories like the big bang.

science takes the fun out of everything

[Nova]

^^^^ what do you mean, actually being healed by god but thinking it was medicine. if so yes, cause that happened to me in my childhood.

science is always trying to prove God wrong, The thing about evolution maybe real but it was god whoput them here. I dont believe in adam and eve, all i believe is God put an animal down here that eventually evolved into us and may continue to evolve. Just like planting a seed and waiting for it to become a tree

[Invader_gir]

devine aid is where we all evolved but with help by god.

i still cant see myself believing in god, but if i had to then this would probably be the most logical thing.

whats annoying me is how everytime science proves another thing faulse, the church says about how they believed that was a metaphor anyway.

[~Felly~]

Yeah, I had those guys with the books come over. Since I live in an apartment complex, and my dad's home when they do this too, so what he does, is he answers the door (too d@mn lazy to do so myself, lol), and tells them to fu(k off. He considers them "tresspassers". Plus, technically, if you use God's name with a curse word after it, you're technically not in "love" with God. Heck, I don't even go to church...-_-

[Nova]

^i dont go to chuch either unless at school or when ccd forces it mandatory to go

Science can prove all it wants but in the end, all scientists will be sent to hell to brun eternally j/p but science and old times do make you think


people could've made up heaven and hell by using the earth's core for hell and the sky for ehaven. thats what can lead people to not believe. but since i cold care less about what scientists and historians say, i stil believe in God

[Cid Highwind]

People are taking things too far with God sometimes.

If you believe in God, it doesn't mean that every single person sees God in the same way.
You can think of him in many ways.

Some people devote their lifes to him, some people die for him, some people do nothing like that but still in some way believe, either way Faith is a strong thing.

I, myself believe that we are put here on earth to be tested, to see if we can survive, and especially how we do it, how we behave and act. As long as you live your life fair.

You don't have to think that you believe in God, but trust me, most do.
It's not the exact same God the others see him as, but it's your God in your own way.
And that's what counts, you can see God as a being, a force, a feeling, anything, but you know something's there.

I hate people who say that there is no God, or that God doesn't exist and kick on songs, religions, stories, and stuff that say something along the lines of: fck God or fck Jesus and they think it's cool and badass.

These fckers have no idea that they're actually basing their whole life around not liking God, avoiding God, telling people there is no God. Don't these morons realize that they devote their life around God as well this way.

If you don't believe in something just shut the fck up and keep it shut, and that's what none of them do.

[~Felly~]

I, myself, say that God doesn't exist. However, that's just me and my own belief. I don't sit there and go up to a Catholic person and say, "Hey, God doesn't exist! Go fu(k yourself!" If I did that, I'd be kicked outta school. I'm not going to discriminate someone's religion just because I don't believe in God..

[Cid Highwind]

Saying there is no God is like saying there is no water after living in the desert without ever seeing any water while living off cactus juice, heh.

People are too narrow minded and too stupid, they want to actually see a powerful huge glowing person with a T-shirt and arrow pointing at him saying "Yes, I am God".

This is not going to happen.

I have a friend who used to be a total wreck after his girlfriend cheated and betrayed him and backstabbed him after the I dont know what time.

He was so wrecked, i've never seen anything like it.
And I don't know how it happened but after a few weeks he found faith in Christianity.
Take note that im Catholic.
Don't ask me how it happened, he explained that in such a beautiful way I can't even say it myself.

And he improved so damn much since then, if you look at him now, he's one of the most cheerful and glowing people I know, he's a blast to have at parties, bars and when going out, he makes jokes and messes around so much it's amazing.

Seeing this change really makes me think.
To see a person who almost gave up on life be so amazingly cheerful now and have such a lust for life, i'm not saying the fact that he found religion is the cause.

But there truly must be someone or something so amazing that made him change this way because I would never expect him to recover at all, let alone be so cheerful now.

I'm not saying God waved around with his stick and gave him magical cheering powers, no.
I'm saying something happened, be it a person or a force, that made him realize, or made him change in this incredible way.

This force/person/feeling can be named many things, but the definition of God doesn't have to be the same as other people see it. But I say it is God in my own way.


It's easy to go against something that you are forced to believe or that a lot of people already believe, you Kids are like that, it's quite normal.
But you'll probably realize when you're older. You'll find your own way.

[~Felly~]

Well, to say the truth, I have/had friends who are Catholic. Their religion has slightly changed me in my own little way. When I was younger, I was all quiet and stuff, but now, I'm all hyperactive and stuff. I'm quiet when I have to, but I'm hyperactive now. So I do believe that God is in people's hearts or whatever, but I don't actually believe in Him completely.

[Cid Highwind]

I hate people who say that there is no God, or that God doesn't exist and kick on songs, religions, stories, and stuff that say something along the lines of: fck God or fck Jesus and they think it's cool and badass.

These fckers have no idea that they're actually basing their whole life around not liking God, avoiding God, telling people there is no God. Don't these morons realize that they devote their life around God as well this way.

If you don't believe in something just shut the fck up and keep it shut, and that's what none of them do.

Quoting myself here : P
Wanna add:
Reversed Crosses... Gee, I wonder where they got that idea from :P.
That's like me wearing a Green Day T-Shirt upside down, haha.

I mean i'm not narrow minded at all, very free in beliefs and such.
I don't care if people wear it to support a certain band that tries to get fans this way, but I'm talking about the people that wear it to mock with Jesus and God.

[Cid Highwind]

Well, to say the truth, I have/had friends who are Catholic. Their religion has slightly changed me in my own little way. When I was younger, I was all quiet and stuff, but now, I'm all hyperactive and stuff. I'm quiet when I have to, but I'm hyperactive now. So I do believe that God is in people's hearts or whatever, but I don't actually believe in Him completely.

Yes, I understand. I feel that way too.
You don't have to believe in God the exact same way others do.

But you know there's something good out there, be it a person,spirit, force or good feeling.

You have the choice to believe in your own way.

[~Felly~]

Yeah, that's pretty much saying what I said in simpler terms.

[Cid Highwind]

Oh, also!

I have great respect for Forte.exe for actually taking this up all by himself!
That's the way to go! I love seeing stuff like that.

If I saw this sooner I would've helped you out with that too.
to *ehem* mock ( I was too lazy to go upstairs and get my Holy Bible) ahahha Satanic Bible, that's too cute.

But yeah, awesome work!

[Invader_gir]

thinkg is that i used to be christian. and i used to try so hard to actually believe in god. after a while i just couldnt see the point. you say your friend was wrecked until he found out about god, its sort of the opposite to me. after i stopped trying to be a 'good person', my life has actually been good..

i can note it myself that ive become stronger, 'cause i havent had to worry about annoying whatever and whomever.

jab all ya want but perhaps you should know that this satanic religion you are mocking is probably the most logical one there. just the name puts people off it. satanism dont believe in satan, eh, they believe that everyone is their own god.

theres only one person that controlls your life: you.

now, i dont know whats so bad about that.. to me its more logical than anything else in the way of religion.. and the inverted cross is a religious symbol, its not just as a mocking thing. could say that the traditional cross is a mocary of the inverted one.. wont make me nor you right...

see, i actually know what stuff christian and catholic and the majority of other religions believe and how they work as we had a class on it that went for five years. in that time span they never talked about satanism, as people dont understand it anyway.. but perhaps before you go and 'mock' something, go and find out something to mock about it first.

'heh, holy bible.. a man made book thats written by god..'

sigh.

[Forte.Exe]

well, im know for a fact people out there think god is giant lifeform up in the clouds, with a beard sandals, booming voice and all that.
that is what annoys me
god does not need a visual or solid form to exist, the good inside all beings, thats what god is suppose to be and in some sort of way, we are our own god

god may be a lifeform or he may not, but that doesnt mean he doesnt exist.

just because it sounds logical, does it make it right?

[Invader_gir]

i quote what ive already said
Some people say that he can only do things that are logically possible to do, but what is? Is it logically possible to walk on water? Is it logically possible to rise from the dead? Is it logically possible to stand above time, space and all other dimensions - and still exist? I'd say that everything which violates the laws of physics is logically impossible and thus omnipotence is logically impossible. Besides if omnipotence is a relative quality there is no way to tell omnipotence from non-omnipotence. For omnipotence to be a valid expression it must be absolute, but we have no objective criteria to measure omnipotence so the word itself is useless.

everything has to be logical..

[Cid Highwind]

thinkg is that i used to be christian. and i used to try so hard to actually believe in god. after a while i just couldnt see the point. you say your friend was wrecked until he found out about god, its sort of the opposite to me. after i stopped trying to be a 'good person', my life has actually been good..

i can note it myself that ive become stronger, 'cause i havent had to worry about annoying whatever and whomever.

You don't even have to try hard to believe in God, you've probably had bad experiences then. You can't be forced to believe in God the way others do.
You just have to find your own way, there are a lot of people who exploit the name God, which creates these doubters.
What you think others see as God, is not always the God other people (like me) believe in.

You never stop being a good person, this makes no sense, are you saying you're a bad person now? no, things are still good. You gave up believing because it was too hard for you. But that doesn't mean you gave up on your God, you gave up on the other people's ideas of worshipping God.

jab all ya want but perhaps you should know that this satanic religion you are mocking is probably the most logical one there. just the name puts people off it. satanism dont believe in satan, eh, they believe that everyone is their own god.

Anything feels logical that is based on something that has no solid structure, I don't support the bible 100% either.
I've seen and read information from both sides, especially from a friend from Norway who had like everything based on Satanic Religion. It's interesting to read ofcourse, any religion is, but people abusing it is just wrong.

I think the Holy Bible is a good thing, it's a guide for people who have lost their ideas about what morals are, it's a book with good stories in them that can help people on their way. But I don't believe everything blindly. You don't have to, that's not even what it's about.

theres only one person that controlls your life: you.

now, i dont know whats so bad about that.. to me its more logical than anything else in the way of religion.. and the inverted cross is a religious symbol, its not just as a mocking thing. could say that the traditional cross is a mocary of the inverted one.. wont make me nor you right...

Ofcourse you control your own life! That's common sense, God doesn't control your life. That would be wrong, people who say that are believing again in their own way. Some people want to be guided this way, others don't.
This doesn't mean that everyone's God is bad.

"Not just" you say, but you know that it is used that way, a true belief would be not mocking at all. The Cross is a longtime symbol of faith. But I don't care too much about that, I don't care about material stuff, as long as your heart is true.


see, i actually know what stuff christian and catholic and the majority of other religions believe and how they work as we had a class on it that went for five years. in that time span they never talked about satanism, as people dont understand it anyway.. but perhaps before you go and 'mock' something, go and find out something to mock about it first.

'heh, holy bible.. a man made book thats written by god..'

sigh.

I'm sorry but when I see someone supporting junk like "fck faith, fck jesus, fck christianity (although im not fully this)" and saying "my prayers have been answered.. BY YOUR FACE!" I tend to proof the obvious...

You don't think I know anything about religions, my god, my friend won't stop showing me stuff about them, especially long (a lot of times boring haha) DVD's. And i'm interested in all religions, they're all interesting to read about and hear about.

I saw a speach of some man supporting the Islam, and it was so interesting to hear him talk.

And like I said, you don't have to follow the bible blindly to believe in God, as I explained earlier.

You can not agree with a certain religion alright, but to say stuff like this is just stupid. Christianity has never in any way mocked with other beliefs, well I don't mean Christianity, but darn, I forgot the name. they just think it's the true religion. All they say (At least normal ones)

[Invader_gir]

You don't even have to try hard to believe in God, you've probably had bad experiences then. You can't be forced to believe in God the way others do.
You just have to find your own way, there are a lot of people who exploit the name God, which creates these doubters.
What you think others see as God, is not always the God other people (like me) believe in.

You never stop being a good person, this makes no sense, are you saying you're a bad person now? no, things are still good. You gave up believing because it was too hard for you. But that doesn't mean you gave up on your God, you gave up on the other people's ideas of worshipping God.
i used to just forgive everyone, or not want to do anything about something that happened 'cause i thought that was the right thing to do. in primary we were forced to believe in god if we signed the enrollment form as 'christian' or something of the like.. they made us go to RE every fortnight and stay there for an hour to listen to someone read the bible to us.


Anything feels logical that is based on something that has no solid structure, I don't support the bible 100% either.
I've seen and read information from both sides, especially from a friend from Norway who had like everything based on Satanic Religion. It's interesting to read ofcourse, any religion is, but people abusing it is just wrong. i aint abusing it, im just saying what i believe or think, just as you and everyone else is.. i have rights to free spech too.

I think the Holy Bible is a good thing, it's a guide for people who have lost their ideas about what morals are, it's a book with good stories in them that can help people on their way. But I don't believe everything blindly. You don't have to, that's not even what it's about.
i really cant follow a book. i wont even follow the satanic bible or whatever. they make good points and some of them i probably would follow by default 'cause of my personality.. but im not going to stop doing something 'cause its concidered a sin or something..

Ofcourse you control your own life! That's common sense, God doesn't control your life. That would be wrong, people who say that are believing again in their own way. Some people want to be guided this way, others don't.
This doesn't mean that everyone's God is bad.
a lot of people i know follow the book blindly.. andy, for one.. you dont know him, but he does.. (go to college with him)
"Not just" you say, but you know that it is used that way, a true belief would be not mocking at all. The Cross is a longtime symbol of faith. But I don't care too much about that, I don't care about material stuff, as long as your heart is true. my friends have always had different beliefs and religions, it didnt make them any worse of a person.. though madina pissed me off by trying to force me to listen to her read the koran.. which did kinda distub me
I'm sorry but when I see someone supporting junk like "fck faith, fck jesus, fck christianity (although im not fully this)" and saying "my prayers have been answered.. BY YOUR FACE!" I tend to proof the obvious... right.. for the slow, the last thing was a joke. and the first thing is yeah, fυck it all.. like you said, i must have had some bad experiance.. whatever happened it really turned me against it..

You don't think I know anything about religions, my god, my friend won't stop showing me stuff about them, especially long (a lot of times boring haha) DVD's. And i'm interested in all religions, they're all interesting to read about and hear about.[/qupte]
i never said you didnt know.. i knew that you knew religions too.. i was just saying that i did also[quote]

I saw a speach of some man supporting the Islam, and it was so interesting to hear him talk.

And like I said, you don't have to follow the bible blindly to believe in God, as I explained earlier.

You can not agree with a certain religion alright, but to say stuff like this is just stupid. Christianity has never in any way mocked with other beliefs, they just think it's the true religion. All they say (At least normal ones)
noone can say that christianity hasnt mocked any other religion.. as you cant say that about the majority of religions.. there wouldnt be as many wars otherwise.. most wars are formed, based upon religions.. kill for your god and all that..

[Cid Highwind]

i used to just forgive everyone, or not want to do anything about something that happened 'cause i thought that was the right thing to do. in primary we were forced to believe in god if we signed the enrollment form as 'christian' or something of the like.. they made us go to RE every fortnight and stay there for an hour to listen to someone read the bible to us.

Well that sucks, no one should force it on you that way, that's just wrong.

noone can say that christianity hasnt mocked any other religion.. as you cant say that about the majority of religions.. there wouldnt be as many wars otherwise.. most wars are formed, based upon religions.. kill for your god and all that..

A true religion wouldn't mock ;)
Like my very own Marco-Catholic religion P

[Invader_gir]

but you did mock =P

to *ehem* mock ( I was too lazy to go upstairs and get my Holy Bible) ahahha Satanic Bible, that's too cute.

[Cid Highwind]

Sarcasm ;)

[Invader_gir]

sure sure =P

[Cid Highwind]

You do know sarcasm? haha
I was mocking a person, not a religion.
Mocking people is what i'm all about :P

The following announcement will be shown on worldwide popular tv channels:
Got a Holy Bible? or maybe a Satanic Bible? Or perhaps you're more of a Neutral Bible person :P

People, people, stop getting knowledge from Bibles, and start getting knowledge from your heart :)

[Eloron]

Okay, my perspective of this is, God is real, we were created, Adam and Eve was created by God, in the IMAGE of God himself, meaning, imo God has the masculine body of Adam, the wise and beautiful image of Eve and the elegant grace by Eve, the smarts by Eve as well, though, we aren't as smart as God, that is how i see it. Now to get on to the other points, God does exist, how do I know? When Moses escaped from the Pharoh because he killed one of his soldiers for hurting a Jew, he ran off, he was alone without any food for many days if memory serves, anyways, he met a shepard, the shepard had a daughter, he married his daughter and had a kid, one day while he was walking with the flock of Jethro, his father-in-law, he went to the east, and came to one of the mountains of God, Horeb. God then appeared to Moses in the form of an angel in the burning bush, Moses was curious so he walked over there and looked at the strange burning bush, when he was near the bush he heard a voice, calling his name twice, but no one was there, and he did answer, and when he walked forward, God told him to take off his sandals for the ground he was standing on was the holy ground of the Lord. God introduced himself to Moses and after a while, Moses, afraid to take one of the roles God had given him would make excuses, that he was not a good speaker, was just a shepard and probably just a normal human being, however God had answered him, told him to use his brother, Aaron as his speaker, and then, God gave Moses a staff and said something along the lines of, "If the Pharoh does not believe, throw your staff down, and I will give it the ability to change into a serpent and anything else." Moses did.

How do you explain the splitting of the Red Sea? Was it just, at that exact moment some freak of nature weather pushed both sides of the sea apart? and at that moment that all the Israelites, who numbered more then a million crossed it, it slammed down on the Egyptians that was after them? I dont believe that is science had anything to do with it.

Also, God may have made us what we are, human beings that can actually speak with each other in a language most of us understand. But, he does not "control" your life the way you think he does, this is how i see it, God made us, but, we make our own choices our own choices affects our own future, sure, God knows our beginning and our ending, but does he know HOW and WHAT we do? I dont think he does, cause if he did, everyone would be in Christianity right now, because God had controls of the choices in our lives, in my honest opinion, he does not, we live our own lives, and as Cid said, we were sent on this earth to be tested.<--- I hope some of you understand that

Why is their suffering, poverty and corruption? My answer to that is, look at the missionaries, they go to places like the mostly poverty part of Africa, they help people there, they cloth them, adopt them, feed them, teach them and show them something no one could ever show them in that side of Africa, love. You see, again, in my opinion God is with us, he's in the missionaries, helping them and putting an influence on the lives of those the missionaries have touched, depending on their performance there, for better or for worse. Suffering happens, sure, but God is not to blame for it, we are. The Crusades are a great example, the Pope said he was sent by God to cleanse the world of the Middle East, but he's using God's name in vain, he's like saying 'In the name of God, smite those who hate me". it doesnt work that way. The Pope probably just did that to either do what he thought was right, in God's name, or, being the puppeteer, letting the crusaders to fight for him, while he sits his ass on his chair and wait for outcome, what he may have wanted there, was the riches of the Middle East, what they had that the Holy Roman Empire did not, and as it is said in Spider-man's first debut comic and film "with great power comes great responsibilty". The Pope, in his own opinion had great power and was only second to the monarchy and God, if he was wrong, he'd deny it. He had the power to stop the suffering in a less bloody way, but he did not, and he choose to turn a blind eye on those in need, he wasnt taken responsibily for what he did. Corruption is also a human trait, the more power you get, the better you feel, and the more "safer" you feel, lets say you were a manager of some store/circus/whatever and you were so powerful, nothing could go against you, until of course you get in sheit. Lets say, someone saw him doing something illegal, and he continued to do it, when that someone threatened to call the cops, he'd go so far as to hire some thugs to beat that guy up, and put the blame on the thugs, leaving himself spot clean.

Gays are not accepted in Christianity because God made Adam and Eve, and they were to be made one flesh (marriage.) in a more simpler way to explain it, God made man and woman to live with each other hand in hand, when the son of a family is old, he shall leave his family and make his own, when he finds the woman he loves he would marry her, they would become one flesh. Man was not made to love another man and woman, or just a man and man relationship, the same goes for woman. Man was made for woman, and woman was made for man. In terms of reproduction, the man's sperm is the fertilizer, the womans egg is the "seed", if you had a man and a man, you'd have fertilizer, but where is the seed? if you have a woman and woman, you have the seed but not the fertilizer, what i'm getting at is, a man, in a way, cannot live without a woman, and vice versa, that is all for now.

[Ceal]

In my honest opinion, I believe God exists. But it is really irritating the common misconception of God, seeing God as something up in the sky, ruling us. The fact remains that God coexists among us, his presence is the only reason why human does not wholly destroy oneself. Think about it, without God’s word on being kind to thy neighbors (sorry for the stereotype, I know…), there would be no/scarce human existence upon Earth, human would just kill each other. Think about it, without the acknowledgement of God, would there even be today? I would not think so. The history of mankind is based on God, he acts as the equilibrium to human society, if human failed to realize God, would there even be the country where you’re having the benefits of freedom of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? What the Satanists are doing is betraying God’s will and is trying to bring chaos upon the world, just think about it, without God, would they exist? What did they do in return for the favor?
Sorry for the ramble, just a piece of my mind I would like to share

[Invader_gir]

...right..

humans are obviously smarter than other animals in the sence of communication and the way we live mostly in civil terms. personally, i think humans are stupid and thus makes me quite embarrased to be one at times, but thats out of my hands.

why dont other animals have a god? they dont need one as there is no questions that they need to know answers for. if they did believe in a god then they would follow the commandments. i know out of fact that animals do kill their own species.. i also know by fact that one of the comandments is 'thou shalt not murder'. take note (research if you dont believe me) that there are wrong translations of the comandments and this can be seen as 'thou shalt not kill'.. vegans and vegetarians try and pull that off.. either way all animals would eat leaves and plants, thus; herbivors

eloron, who are you to say that no other religion is correct? what about the islamic religion? egyption? greek?

heres a snippet from a rather interesting post from another forum im on..
Luke 7:32 has Jesus saying "We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced…". This comes from Aesops book of fables.
The Egyptian God Horus exisited hundreds of years before anyone thought of Jesus. Yet his life seems a little bit too similar to be coincidence.

Horus's mother was a virgin as well, named Meri - his father was Osiris the main Egyptian god. Horus' birth was announced by the brightening of Sirius (the morning star) and three shepherds followed the star to witness Horus' birth. The infant Horus is threatened with death by a monster called Herut (not similar to Herod by any means).
Then there is no data on Horus betweent he ages of 12 and 30 (the same as the gap in the gospels). The silence is broken when Horus is baptised in the Eridanus river by Anup the Baptiser (substitute Jordan for the river and John for Anup and you have the Jesus story). Like John, Anup was later beheaded. Horus walked on water, healed the sick and restored sight to the blind. Horus raised his father from the dead (Osiris - note similarity to the name of the man Jesus raised, Lazarus). Then at the end Horus was crucified along with two thieves then resurrected.

ive looked at this, ive researched what was said and then i found out what was said there was true.. the bible does seem to be extremely familiar to the egyption story.

the whole idea of adam and eve is obserd, i never actually thought people were dumb enough to believe in the story of creation that god just decided to make humans like that. seriously, a lot of christians will even pay you out for believing that.

as for the splitting of the sea, that was in the bible no? i believe that the bible was written more as a guide.. IT IS NOT FACT! i was talking to someone earlier about all this.. apparently we both seemed to agree on what the bible actually was.. i think.. i was sort of half asleep anyway, but thats what i got out of it. i think people became too obsessed in the idea of a god and missed the message intended, live your life by this as a guide and you shall live a happy and peaceful one. this would be damn better.. this way i wouldnt actually have anything against christianity or whatever of the like. instead people are too stupid to realize this and take it all as fact.

back to what i was saying first about humans being smarter.. somehow, is that we would have realized that if we just killed everyone for food or sport, then we would just die out. the homo***ual thing all has to do with X and Y chromosons, as we were taught in biology for more or less the whole of this year so far. you have more of one or the other, it effects how you think and feel based on others of the same gender. we have found evidence of cavepeople.. found skeletons and they have been dated as hundreds of thousands to millions of years old. if humans were just created bu god then whats the deal with dinosaus? were they just origi****ly bacteria that walked the earth with no aim at all in their life? what does that make of aliens? are we the only life form in the universe? and if we do have a god that controls the universe, would it be possible that there are multiverses where other gods look after that single planet?

but yeah, if you could be so nice as to answer why you think christianity is right and all other religions are faulse, that would be real good.. seeing as you probably wont read what i have stated properly.

I dont think he does, cause if he did, everyone would be in Christianity right now, because God had controls of the choices in our lives
quoted just to point out where you said that christianity is the right religion so that you cant say that you didnt say it.

[Anaiyak]

In my honest opinion, I believe God exists. But it is really irritating the common misconception of God, seeing God as something up in the sky, ruling us. The fact remains that God coexists among us, his presence is the only reason why human does not wholly destroy oneself. Think about it, without God’s word on being kind to thy neighbors (sorry for the stereotype, I know…), there would be no/scarce human existence upon Earth, human would just kill each other. Think about it, without the acknowledgement of God, would there even be today? I would not think so. The history of mankind is based on God, he acts as the equilibrium to human society, if human failed to realize God, would there even be the country where you’re having the benefits of freedom of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? What the Satanists are doing is betraying God’s will and is trying to bring chaos upon the world, just think about it, without God, would they exist? What did they do in return for the favor?
Sorry for the ramble, just a piece of my mind I would like to share

You put forward a fair point, and the concept of god is the reason we are all still here. But think about all the problems the idea of a god has caused, because of people's different perceptions of the idea, much bloodshed, bickering and war has arisen from this assertion? If there were no concept of god, maybe there would be no "magnificent" human race with all of these holy shrines devoted to what we cannot see, but if we were non-existent, we could not suffer, we could not cause harm to each other. We as humans are likely to be too arrogant to accept our non-existence and this is probably the cause of our own selfish determination to triumph over. The world would be better for it without us, we do such outrageously stupid things to each other and the world, not only screwing things up for us, but every other living creature on the planet. Would you rather have a blissful life whilst others suffer or simply not exist for the sake of peace and harmony? Because whilst someone lives, someone suffers, there is always a loser and that is just the way we are

And if the mainstream assumption of god be a ruling entity above us all, not that of a god living amongst us (for Jesus, son of God is said to have been sent to earth, away from his fathers side to live amongst human kind). And since there is no written account of Jesus, nor God returning to mortal earth since Jesus’ original descent and subsequent ascent, not that there ever was a provable account of any of the events written in the praised gospel of the bible... the way most people who acknowledge God of a vaguely Christian association (As the topic is based upon the Christian ideal of a god) he would not be able to coexist in the context of the Christian god because the bible describes him as not being of the earth, since it is fabled that he created the earth. So if the story of the bible should hold true after all, then the misconception lies with you. That’s my opinion on the matter, as confusing to me as it is.

How do we return the favour? How should we? If some of us don’t believe he exists how can we honour what isn’t there? Until a god shakes their mighty hand in front of my face holding the "Holy" Bible, I refuse to place such blind faith in some person or book who has no personal association or account of god or Jesus. If your only experience of god is that of another person preaching about stories with no traceable origin or solid evidence to back the story they are pushing, how could you consider being a part of it? Would it not just be one huge collective rumour? "Hey, you know that Mary chick? She gave birth to the divine son of god" etc. until voila, you have some one standing in a grand monument devoted to YOUR lord Jesus Christ giving readings derived from ancient scrolls.

Although I have been christened my faith and patience for Christianity is long gone. As for all other religions I observe with optimistic pessimism, take that you decisive slice of clarity.

****, isn't it common sense?

The Bible did not descend from the heavens, it was man-made. Where is the proof that God even exists? In the Bible? The Bible written by MAN? Hah! Read the words of Anton LaVey (I can't be bothered to go upstairs, find the Satanic Bible, find the page and type in the exact quote, but this is basically what he says) - the Christian Bible was man-made. Therefore, by proxy, are you not worshipping the mortal who wrote the Bible? I ask you...why do you worship one who held the exact same power as you do now?

Why do we suffer? Two explanations:

1. God doesn't exist (VERY LIKELY).
2. God hates us all (as Slayer eloquently puts it :P).

Darmittens I wish I read this before I wrote my little rant, so well put **claps**

And this is just the bible providing me with reasons not to believe in it. I have plenty more scientific and personal reasons not to believe this pretentious book of lies and deceit, not to mention the religion.

[Cid Highwind]

You're the kind that needs to see the God with arrow pointing T-Shirt

[BUFF]

ok this is the truth, god doesnt exist and never did exist. thats bullsh!t that religion helps guide and u need one, all religion is is a waste of time and thought and is pretty much useless

[Vipershark]

Not tyring to start argument but..........


God indeed is very true.God loves us all if he hated us We would all be in hell now.If theres no good,what will we be when we die.Nothing but Enternal Darkness.If there was no god,and only the devil,what would the world be like now.Complete Chaos.Adamn and Eve was created by god and thus they kept reproducing(having babys)and then there childre had babies nd so on and so on.I know someobdy is probably gonna say We can from Gorillas and from cavemen but if something cause the dinosaurs to be extenct woundt cavemen be with them thus another question to solve.


How is it that we can find dinosaur bones and stuff, but there is no record in the bible about dinosaurs? The ones there all seem to be the evolved forms of the prehistoric animals..... If the animals were all were created at the same time, why weren't there any dinosaurs around?

[Sister of Metal]

ok this is the truth, god doesnt exist and never did exist. thats bullsh!t that religion helps guide and u need one, all religion is is a waste of time and thought and is pretty much useless

buff
please
get a few things straight:
..
THIS IS A THEAD ABOUT GOD
FOR PEOPLE TO EXPRESS THEIR FEELINGS AND STATEMENTS ABOUT HIM/HER/IT

DON" T
SAY
THERE"S
ONE
DEFINATE
TRUTH
IT' S
YOUR
OPINION

and please, don' t use words such as ' bullsh!t. RESPECT RELIGION.

and IN MY opinion, religion helps a lot of people. If older people these days are scared of dying, they can hold on to the thought of heaven and die in peace. Envy those who are still ABLE to believe in God, heaven or anything like that.

shortly: if you don' t believe in god, religion and just think it' s all just crap.
express it in a decent way
not in the way a kid of ten would do

thank you

by the way:
You' re close to getting a ban
so if you're wise, don't respond to this post of mine and just LISTEN to me.
If you do want to respond, send me a PM.
I'm doing this for your own good.

[Anaiyak]

You're the kind that needs to see the God with arrow pointing T-Shirt

What in the hell do you mean by that? Kind? my kind? me? the ones that have realised the truth about all of these pretentious lies? Go me, go us! If i even have one there is not a chance in mortal hell i would wear it...I do so hope it will make a merry blaze upon my fireplace ^^


THIS IS A THEAD ABOUT GOD
FOR PEOPLE TO EXPRESS THEIR FEELINGS AND STATEMENTS ABOUT HIM/HER/IT

DON" T
SAY
THERE"S
ONE
DEFINATE
TRUTH
IT' S
YOUR
OPINION

Was he not just stating his opinion?

[Sister of Metal]

What in the hell do you mean by that? Kind? my kind? me? the ones that have realised the truth about all of these pretentious lies? Go me, go us! If i even have one there is not a chance in mortal hell i would wear it...I do so hope it will make a merry blaze upon my fireplace ^^



Was he not just stating his opinion?

'ok this is the truth, god doesnt exist and never did exist'

no he was not. He should bear in mind that a lot of people could be insulted by this mere comment. Also, stating it like that ' as if it' s a fact' does not contribute to the discussion.
If he formulated it in a different way, such as ' I think that' or ' I think the truth is' and not spread ' ok this is the truth..yadayada bullsh!t' yadayada. Like I said, it' s not contributing to the discussion and disrespectful.

now let' s get back to the subject.

[Nova]

I belive in God i just dont believe the way genesis is portrayed and creation. Adam and Eve never existed. God din't make humans, God made animals that evolve dinto us and will continue to evolve on an everlasting chain. Also what somesaid about how God is not a guy up in the sky ruling us but he coexists with us, that is the best way to put it. God is basicaly our guardian angel, our conscience, I have had many times when i felth something telling me to do or not to do something. Like the time my friend was in ym neighbor's yard. He was gonna kick the soccer ball into my yard over the fence. Something in me told me that he would hit my satelite dish on my house. I called out to him but it was too late. he kicked the ball and hit directly on the satelitte dish. I onyl remember that caus my father was at the maddest of mad on that day. For that reason is why i belived, believe, and will believe in God, But i respect everyones opiions. Shoot, i ahev a few athiests friends. They are just normal people who chose not to bleieve, i respect that

[Cid Highwind]

What in the hell do you mean by that? Kind? my kind? me? the ones that have realised the truth about all of these pretentious lies? Go me, go us! If i even have one there is not a chance in mortal hell i would wear it...I do so hope it will make a merry blaze upon my fireplace ^^

You should start reading before making corny jokes, you really don't get it.


'ok this is the truth, god doesnt exist and never did exist'

no he was not. He should bear in mind that a lot of people could be insulted by this mere comment. Also, stating it like that ' as if it' s a fact' does not contribute to the discussion.
If he formulated it in a different way, such as ' I think that' or ' I think the truth is' and not spread ' ok this is the truth..yadayada bullsh!t' yadayada. Like I said, it' s not contributing to the discussion and disrespectful.

now let' s get back to the subject.

Ik heb het ergens in de regels staan... als het goed is :P



Anyway yes, this has gone quite off topic.

Forte, That explanation was really well done, you say you got it from some myspace, but would you happen to know anything more?

[Eloron]

Answering to Gir's post.

You asked why it would be Christianity and all other religions are wrong right. lets look at a few things here
From what my friends tell me that had to study some stuff of Islam, their god, Allah has this moral perspective he is holy and divine but he can also go into the darkness and do what he must to set things right again, Jesus does not, Jesus has a stricter morale, if something goes bad, he doesnt do something bad to them just to get them on the right track again. When Jesus was crucified, he didnt say 'My Father in heaven please smite those who just crucified me.' no, he didnt say that, he said, although im not sure if this is the exact words "Father please forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."
What Jesus meant, in my opinion is that they only followed blindly to what the Pharisees said about Jesus, those hateful things about him, Pharisees in that time in the world were supposed to be priests in the temples and influence people, they hated Jesus, said he was a fraud even when he proved he was not. Its like a role model crap, you see someone you really look up to, you do what they do, and when they hate someone you dont even know you blindly follow and hate that person too.

[Forte.Exe]

well from what im reading, you all dont get what me and cid have been saying.
god doesnt need a phyisical form to live, if theres no heaven or hell, doesnt mean there isnt a god.

god is the good inside everyone, knowing you lived a good life lets you die peacefully.
in my eyes, all the other religions think the same thing, but express in it a totally different way.

[~Felly~]

...What about me? (Geez, I'm hated.) Anyways, reading this has made me believe that God's in people, but he has no real body. Somehow, in my science class, we started talking about God and how humans were first created. I have 2 other opinions, including mine, that I shall say.

Person 1 (me, I'm special!) - God is alive in people. *argument thing for about a minute* Then I said that we were created by our parents when THEY GOT MARRIED (to get through their thick skulls on that one), and our parent's parents did the same thing and on and on until we got to Adam and Eve. That's where I ended.

Person 2 - He was outta the room for the reproduction part, so he only has something on God. But anyway, he said that God didn't exist at all and it was all a myth. He thought that there was no heaven or hell, and when we died, we got put in a coffin and thrown underground or disected or whatever. And God had nothing to do with our lives...

Person 3 - Pretty much what I said except he practically threw in at least 100 curse words when the teacher wasn't around. Plus.. I don't think you wanna hear the reproduction thing. *shudders*

So I'm with Cid and Forte on this... Pretty much.

[Anaiyak]

You should start reading before making corny jokes, you really don't get it.

yep, corny to the point of matching your joke ;)

[Invader_gir]

Answering to Gir's post.

You asked why it would be Christianity and all other religions are wrong right. lets look at a few things here
From what my friends tell me that had to study some stuff of Islam, their god, Allah has this moral perspective he is holy and divine but he can also go into the darkness and do what he must to set things right again, Jesus does not, Jesus has a stricter morale, if something goes bad, he doesnt do something bad to them just to get them on the right track again. When Jesus was crucified, he didnt say 'My Father in heaven please smite those who just crucified me.' no, he didnt say that, he said, although im not sure if this is the exact words "Father please forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."
What Jesus meant, in my opinion is that they only followed blindly to what the Pharisees said about Jesus, those hateful things about him, Pharisees in that time in the world were supposed to be priests in the temples and influence people, they hated Jesus, said he was a fraud even when he proved he was not. Its like a role model crap, you see someone you really look up to, you do what they do, and when they hate someone you dont even know you blindly follow and hate that person too.
you didnt answer my question at all..
why should christianity be the right religion while all others are wrong?

in other words.. how can you be so sure that the christian bible is real and no other religion tells the truth?

[[N]eto]

In case no one else has gathered by my one and only other post in this thread, I pretty much stated anything Cid later added. Not in the most formal of ways, I admit, but it seemed appropriate to me.

Religion is the reason for any and all major problems in this world. It is the reason for ignorance.

If God exists, he is not a holy, divine creature with omnipotent powers. You are God. You have the power to make as many changes you want to this planet, positive or negative. You have the ability to learn and forget, to perceive and accept, to ignore and neglect, to love and hate. It is your decision whether to use these powers in a correct manner or not, but in the end, all pays and ends well once we are dead.

As far as I believe from what I have experienced in life, there is something out there we cannot explain. I firmly believe that I am part of that which cannot be understood.

[BUFF]

buff
please
get a few things straight:
..
THIS IS A THEAD ABOUT GOD
FOR PEOPLE TO EXPRESS THEIR FEELINGS AND STATEMENTS ABOUT HIM/HER/IT

DON" T
SAY
THERE"S
ONE
DEFINATE
TRUTH
IT' S
YOUR
OPINION

and please, don' t use words such as ' bullsh!t. RESPECT RELIGION.

and IN MY opinion, religion helps a lot of people. If older people these days are scared of dying, they can hold on to the thought of heaven and die in peace. Envy those who are still ABLE to believe in God, heaven or anything like that.

shortly: if you don' t believe in god, religion and just think it' s all just crap.
express it in a decent way
not in the way a kid of ten would do

thank you

by the way:
You' re close to getting a ban
so if you're wise, don't respond to this post of mine and just LISTEN to me.
If you do want to respond, send me a PM.
I'm doing this for your own good.
ok i'm going to say this in the nicest way possible......just shut up. :mad: if i wanna act like i'm 10 then i will, sue me, ban me wat ever. and i think its pretty obvious that it was MY OPINION, I was the one to state it in the first place, remember? do u really think u can threaten my with bans? well then think again. i guess u must think ur pretty tough being the mod of this forum but ur not.

eto']In case no one else has gathered by my one and only other post in this thread, I pretty much stated anything Cid later added. Not in the most formal of ways, I admit, but it seemed appropriate to me.

Religion is the reason for any and all major problems in this world. It is the reason for ignorance.

If God exists, he is not a holy, divine creature with omnipotent powers. You are God. You have the power to make as many changes you want to this planet, positive or negative. You have the ability to learn and forget, to perceive and accept, to ignore and neglect, to love and hate. It is your decision whether to use these powers in a correct manner or not, but in the end, all pays and ends well once we are dead.

As far as I believe from what I have experienced in life, there is something out there we cannot explain. I firmly believe that I am part of that which cannot be understood.
yes i agree 100% with u. religion is really causeing horrible things today. the iraq war is a perfect example

[Nova]

ok i'm going to say this in the nicest way possible......just shut up. :mad: if i wanna act like i'm 10 then i will, sue me, ban me wat ever. and i think its pretty obvious that it was MY OPINION, I was the one to state it in the first place, remember? do u really think u can threaten my with bans? well then think again. i guess u must think ur pretty tough being the mod of this forum but ur not.


yes i agree 100% with u. religion is really causeing horrible things today. the iraq war is a perfect example


religion ahs nothing to do with the war. america got involved in another countries affairs and started the war. anyways. what neto said before, 1 100% agree. God put us on the world for us to be god of the planet. we change is good or bad. God just watches and helps out every so often when he sees we are about to do something that can hurt ourselves. We are basically the chess piece while God is the chess champion. He is moving us on a btter path through life.

[Vipershark]

How is it that we can find dinosaur bones and stuff, but there is no record in the bible about dinosaurs? The ones there all seem to be the evolved forms of the prehistoric animals..... If the animals were all were created at the same time, why weren't there any dinosaurs around?


Quoting my previous post because no one seemed to answer it....

[Cid Highwind]

ok i'm going to say this in the nicest way possible......just shut up. :mad: if i wanna act like i'm 10 then i will, sue me, ban me wat ever. and i think its pretty obvious that it was MY OPINION, I was the one to state it in the first place, remember? do u really think u can threaten my with bans? well then think again. i guess u must think ur pretty tough being the mod of this forum but ur not.

Perfect. you're banned.

Closing this thread since fcking Noobs seem to mess it up by flaming.
If anyone wants to make a different thread be my guest, this was supposed to be linked only to that story on the first post anyway.

Cid,

[Sister of Metal]

Perfect. you're banned.

Closing this thread since fcking Noobs seem to mess it up by flaming.
If anyone wants to make a different thread be my guest, this was supposed to be linked only to that story on the first post anyway.

Cid,

thank you xD