God....

[Invisible Shadow]

He exists, sure there's proof that suggests he didn't exist. But whether you believe it or not, Jesus was a real person, the question is, whether he was the actual son of God or not. So vote!
I say... YES! If you say NO. Explain why.

[Some1]

I hate to talk about religion....It becomes a argrument, then a fight.

[Dead Or Alive]

Who said Jesus was a real person? =p

[Flamefist95]

this should be a pole and you shouldnt just say that God and Jesus exist and that they are real cause some people dont believe in them

[Nova]

im not getting involve din this one, last one involved a closed thread and a ban

[Dead Or Alive]

Oh come on it's loads of fun!

I don't really believe in God, there's just no proof :/

[Vipershark]

He exists, sure there's proof that suggests he didn't exist.

Hold on a second.... you contradicted yourself there.

[Some1]

Who said Jesus was a real person? =p
It is a fact.

[Forte.Exe]

there WAS a man named jesus BUT no proof whether he was god's son.

and if you just say there is a god you have to explain why too not just if you say no

[Dead Or Alive]

It is a fact.

Can you prove it though?

[Invader_gir]

i would like to direct you to previous posts of mine.. read them and argue with me if you want.. i find it funny, so i dont mind..

heheh.. god.. XP

[Laguna Loire]

Just a note of warning before this thread gets going:

THIS IS A DEBATE, NOT AN ARGUEMENT!!! Please bear that in mind before posting. If you flame the **** outta this thread to get your point across, you will be ignored. So just don't bother.

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Anyway, yes...God...I don't believe in the stereotypical God. By this I mean the Christian view of God. I do not believe there is an all-loving and all-forgiving God watching over us. My personal view on the subject is that we all have a Creator. He is not all-loving and all-forgiving. There is no heaven or hell awaiting us. We were an experiment of his. Our universe was created by the Creator as an experiment. Nothing more. Think about how we create things in Science. For example, I believe there's a Simpsons Halloween special where Lisa creates some moss or something, and they rapidly evolve into a full society. Same thing happened with us.

I strongly believe in fate and karma. I do not believe in coincidence. There is something out there...something far beyond our understanding. But whatever it is, it can do whatever the **** it wants to with us. There are far too many 'coincidences' in this world for it all to be luck. I don't believe whatever's out there is the Christian 'God', I feel we are being guided by the hand of our Maker. He is toying with us, in a manner of speaking. Think War Of The Worlds, but in a non-threatening way...at least, not yet anyway.

But yeah, that's my opinion on the subject.

[Invader_gir]

i dont believe in fate or that.. i dont see how we can just be living off a script..

[[N]eto]

Just a note of warning before this thread gets going:

THIS IS A DEBATE, NOT AN ARGUEMENT!!! Please bear that in mind before posting. If you flame the **** outta this thread to get your point across, you will be ignored. So just don't bother.

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Anyway, yes...God...I don't believe in the stereotypical God. By this I mean the Christian view of God. I do not believe there is an all-loving and all-forgiving God watching over us. My personal view on the subject is that we all have a Creator. He is not all-loving and all-forgiving. There is no heaven or hell awaiting us. We were an experiment of his. Our universe was created by the Creator as an experiment. Nothing more. Think about how we create things in Science. For example, I believe there's a Simpsons Halloween special where Lisa creates some moss or something, and they rapidly evolve into a full society. Same thing happened with us.

I strongly believe in fate and karma. I do not believe in coincidence. There is something out there...something far beyond our understanding. But whatever it is, it can do whatever the **** it wants to with us. There are far too many 'coincidences' in this world for it all to be luck. I don't believe whatever's out there is the Christian 'God', I feel we are being guided by the hand of our Maker. He is toying with us, in a manner of speaking. Think War Of The Worlds, but in a non-threatening way...at least, not yet anyway.

But yeah, that's my opinion on the subject.

Where did your "God" come from?

[Nitrous]

Who is this "God" you speak off?

[Some1]

Can you prove it though?
There was a man named Jesus. He was a very Famous Preacher. Some believe all his miracles were Magic tricks. Some think He was wiccan. I doesn't matter now though. But Here's the way I look at religion. Believe What You Want To Believe.

[Nova]

numerous scriptures have been found of his teachings. If you have read the bible. Alot of them are in there :D

[Dead Or Alive]

Yes, but who has proof the bible was written by... eh... those people that wrote it :D

It could be someone pretending that all of this happened.

And that's not proof that Jesus was real.

And if he's real, why isn't he saving us today from all the wars? Why is everyone still doing? Where's your God now? Eh? EH?!

[Some1]

Yes, but who has proof the bible was written by... eh... those people that wrote it :D

It could be someone pretending that all of this happened.

And that's not proof that Jesus was real.

And if he's real, why isn't he saving us today from all the wars? Why is everyone still doing? Where's your God now? Eh? EH?!
He was just a normal Person. Alexandria The Great was a real person before Jesus was born. So Beat that.

[Dead Or Alive]

No proof. For example I could say Doodle the Dipstick was a real person, but that wouldn't be proof. I want proof that he existed, saying he was a real person isn't proof.

[Some1]

Look...If most history books say someone lived then I think it most likly they lived. Your just being annoying now and stubborn

[Dead Or Alive]

No, I'm not. I may be annoying lol, but not stubborn. I just want proof that Jesus lived.

Someone close this quick before an argument starts

[Some1]

Fine Go ask your history teacher if he existed

[Dead Or Alive]

LOL! You know teachers, they'll just say yes. Btw, it depends on the persons religion if they believe or not. So some 'history teachers' might believe, some mightn't.

[Some1]

Belive what you want to belive. Do you believe that Alexandira The Great lived?

[Invader_gir]

Belive what you want to belive. Do you believe that Alexandira The Great lived?
we have solid evidence from 'alexandira the great'.. samples of handwriting and all..

what do we have for jesus? a bible of fable and a bunch of churches

[Some1]

We have the same stuff for Jesus as we do for Alex.

[Invader_gir]

well i want to see it then.. and genuine stuff, not stuff someone else wrote and said it was jesus's.. go onto the internet and find.. three or more sites that claim that the same thing is true evidence. non-biased sites too, meaning no religious sites.

[Antownee]

Whatever happens, happens..eh?

Sure, I have beliefs, but that says it all, yeah?

[~Felly~]

*sigh* I'm only making a few posts because I'm not getting my a*s banned before I even reach 5 years.

Now, I say 'yes' and I say 'no'. You say why? I say 'yes' because some people may or may not believe in God. Of course, there are different thoughts about God. Some think that he is ALWAYS watching us, which is the Christian belief of it. He lives in each and every one of us in His own way. You may not know it, but He does.

There are, however, some who think that God doesn't exist. Those people think that God doesn't exist and that He doesn't live inside of them in His own way. However, the people who think that God doesn't exist should NOT go around saying that 'GOD DOES NOT EXIST, STOP BELIEVING THAT SH*T.' Everyone has their own beliefs, some the same and some different.

As for that little Jesus topic that came up, Jesus may OR may not be God's son. It is what you believe that makes your desions. But, like I said before, if you don't believe in that, don't go around saying that none of this is true. It's all true. This IS a debate, so everyone has their own opinion about everything.

I think I'll end my little rant here before I make this post longer than it should be. What I said above was a part of this debate/discussion, so if you wanna curse me out or start calling me names, I'd be bloody happy to have you send me a PM/email/IM, as I will probably more than likely ignore it on here. Everything I said was my own opinion, so I stand beside it. Thank you.

[Invader_gir]

Whatever happens, happens..eh?

Sure, I have beliefs, but that says it all, yeah?
theres so much in history that we cannot proove now.. there could have people people that 'created' another person and noone else ever saw. this person could have written things and given it to the creator of this person to read to the world, sort of in the same sence of god and noah.. noone else seemed to see/hear god..

i know this is a bad post.. its hard to explain what im trying to get at.. more so since im doing three things at once...

[Some1]

Your Right EM That's a good point.

[GohanX]

well in mah opinion if u believe in God or whoever/whatever else then thats your faith. u dont have to prove anything to anybody if that's what you believe or have your faith in. that's really the only problem i have with these kinda threads is that people are saying "well y do u believe that?" or "how can u prove thats the truth?". well why should i have to prove it? it's what i believe to be the truth. so that's really all i had to say about it.

[Some1]

Religion is a comfort thing. It is somthing that is susposed to make you not fear death. I'm done with this thread. I hate to talk about religion cause I'll get to involved in it and it starts disagreements which turn into fights. So Just Believe what you want to Believe.

[Forte.Exe]

well a thread like this doesnt have to turn to an arguement its the posters.

there are books that say Alexander the great existed, every gospel found described jesus and his deciples (or however you spell it). you can say those were written by a madman but all those history books could have to.

and when you ask, "Where is your god?" or "prove your god is real"
those are the questions we have been trying to answer for the past millinias

[GohanX]

no i dont think people really have pressed the issue of proving the exsistence of their God/god as much as they have been recently.

[Invader_gir]

is it just me or does everything seem to end up with something to do with religion?
could it be something to do with the threat of nuclear war.. how we're pretty much looking death in the face?..

kind of.. eerie..

[Forte.Exe]

well if theres a topic on god, religion is bound to show its face.

[Invader_gir]

well if theres a topic on god, religion is bound to show its face.
no shіt.

im meaning in real life. college for example; everything i or my friend or my freind's teacher does around each other, we seem to get onto some topic about religion, and with i being a satanist (more or less), megan (friend) being a rather strong athiest, and her teacher being a faithful christian, it makes for an entertaining show.. but anything that happens, her teacher always ends up talking to us about religion.. and it isnt just us its happening to, its most everyone at college.

maybe people are starting to doubt the existence of god/a god, or maybe im just more/less observant suddenly without realizing

[eldiablo]

A lil story that i found elsewhere that explains what i think! :)

Not long ago, a man stumbled upon a campfire. He lead the camp in a prayer which changed the lives of every person who could remember it the next day. Later, we thought about it and concluded that religion is stupid. Its firm beliefs are not based on any firm thing, because things keep changing.

That same night, Sam believed a girl was walking on water. He thought about it, and realized that perhaps most of the bible was only written by drunks. All of the miracles of the bible could be explained as simply as "they were drunk." Why would Moses stand at the top of a mountain in a lightning storm? Why was Samson so stong? How did Jesus heal people?

Brad Rawlstone* brought about many questions for us. It also pointed out something that all of us had noticed: the more religious people are, the more annoying they are. Not all devoted Christians or Jews or Muslims are evil, but quite a load of **** has been started by them. Its not that they are worse, its that they think they are better that pisses us off. Why don't we just realize that we don't know anything and leave it at that? Maybe the best we can do is realize there is nothing we can do. Doing good things to get to heaven goes against Jesus' teachings anyway. And who says there is a Jesus? Maybe he was a hallucination by twelve crackhead alcoholics.

*names not changed to protect the innocent

[Nanaki]

History is written by the victors.

I'm not typing out all the stuff I've already said in the other threads.

But one thing that has always stuck with me: Why the **** is it called the word of god, when it was written by his followers.......50 years after he died?

[~Felly~]

I stand by what I said in the other thread, so it's just simpler to go read that thread instead of making a new one... But I will say something that I said in the last thread (maybe this one, not sure). Most of my friends are religious/go to church. I have NEVER gone up to one of them and sat there and said "Go f*ck yourself. God doesn't exist and everyone knows it." I'm not gonna be that stupid. If you're gonna say something like that, keep it to your own d*mn self. Everyone has their own beliefs...

[Nanaki]

Okay, I;m just gonna copy and paste my last posts :P

I agree with ye that Christianity IS bull****.
I also agrre with the fact that a person called Jesus lived (and that he had the right idea morally) but all that **** about his divinity etc. EVERYTHING is lies.

People say that God does exist, you have no faith blahdy-blahdy-blah.
But all of this can be proved wrong!
It's not as if all people opposed to Christianity are going on guesswork and the fact that they don't like the religion!!!

And anyway, the Roman-Catholic Church is a majorly ****ing corrupted system....
I'm too lazy to go into it but basically, if priests take a vow of poverty, can someone PLEASE explain how the fcuk the Vatican is what it is, and how the hell the Pope can wear prada and gucci?!
Also, if all people are equal, regardless of EVERYTHING (this is according to the apparent founder of the damn thing) then why in the Church's eye's, are all criminals, homo***uals, and other people condemned?

And one last thing that is sooooo wrong it's unbeliveable
Why are women not allowed to join the clergy? (become priests I mean)
It's amazing that in this age of "political correctness" and "gender equality" (especially in the workplace) that women cannot obtain a role in their religion higher than someone attending the services.
It's also highly possible that women would do the job infinetely better than men.


Even though I have just defended the thing about women, don't get me wrong, I detest Christianity - even if it has the right idea morally. I unforunately think that if Christianity were overthrown, it would simply add to the chaos that is our train wreck of a civilisation.

That's all :)


I was born a Catholic and I've been Baptised and Comfirmed but I don't believe that the man who live 200 years ago named Jesus was God
I believe he live but not that he's a deity.
I also believe that the entire Catholic Church is still corrupt only much less so than pre-reformation times.
Evidence? just one fact....the Pope, who was a Priest and as such took a vow of poverty right?
explain the Prada shoes....and the Gucci PA...
also the Church has monumental wealth(*cough* vows of poverty) and to be honest a disturbing amount of power over the world today
I have nothing against clergymen of lay people but I do not like the church.
I think that no female celrgy is out of order and insanely ***ist.
I hope I haven't offended anynoe and that was not my intention with this post

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Sorry about any typos, you can still understand it.

feel free to flame me over it, but they are my views, and if any mods have a problem with it, that's okay, warn me, but in all fairness, if I've posted them before, and wasn't warned, there's no reason why I should be now, logically.

[Forte.Exe]

there were no drunks in biblical times..

and as for why samson was so strong and moses on top of a mountain in a storm, they could not be drunk or the people who did couldnt have either.

and they were probably doing it for a reason, people today want to fly into the eye of a hurricane, isnt htat crazy? are they drunk? no they are scientist who do it for the good of us which is what they were doing back then

[~Felly~]

I, myself, was born an Atheist (from my dad) and a Catholic (from my mom), so I have my own seperate views on God. And if people were flying into the eyes of hurricanes, their plane would be torn to pieces and they would be dead. That is crazy. I rest my case for now.

[Forte.Exe]

no they wouldnt be torn apart (they might but not for sure). that was an example to contradict some other post

[GohanX]

I, myself, was born an Atheist (from my dad) and a Catholic (from my mom), so I have my own seperate views on God. And if people were flying into the eyes of hurricanes, their plane would be torn to pieces and they would be dead. That is crazy. I rest my case for now.

ok wait. you weren't "born" an atheist cuz i doubt the first thing you thought coming into this world was "hmm...God? There's no such thing." You, just like everyone else(Christian,Muslim,Catholic,"Satanist" whatever the hell that is,or whatever else), were taught or by some other way were brought to believe what you believe now. Now i'm not saying i don't respect what you think/believe but at the same time i just don't believe that someone can be born religiously whatever it is they say they are.

and guys we're all cool with eachother here so you don't have to say "i don't want this to turn into an argruement." every time you post :)

[Vipershark]

*sigh* I'm only making a few posts because I'm not getting my a*s banned before I even reach 5 years.

Now, I say 'yes' and I say 'no'. You say why? I say 'yes' because some people may or may not believe in God. Of course, there are different thoughts about God. Some think that he is ALWAYS watching us, which is the Christian belief of it. He lives in each and every one of us in His own way. You may not know it, but He does.

There are, however, some who think that God doesn't exist. Those people think that God doesn't exist and that He doesn't live inside of them in His own way. However, the people who think that God doesn't exist should NOT go around saying that 'GOD DOES NOT EXIST, STOP BELIEVING THAT SH*T.' Everyone has their own beliefs, some the same and some different.

As for that little Jesus topic that came up, Jesus may OR may not be God's son. It is what you believe that makes your desions. But, like I said before, if you don't believe in that, don't go around saying that none of this is true. It's all true. This IS a debate, so everyone has their own opinion about everything.

I think I'll end my little rant here before I make this post longer than it should be. What I said above was a part of this debate/discussion, so if you wanna curse me out or start calling me names, I'd be bloody happy to have you send me a PM/email/IM, as I will probably more than likely ignore it on here. Everything I said was my own opinion, so I stand beside it. Thank you.

W.....O....W...

Fel made a post that made sense..... Is this the start of a wave of posts like this?

[GohanX]

come on now that's totally unnecessary. That's how these threads blow up so just stay on topic

[Nanaki]

there were no drunks in biblical times..

of course there were

[GohanX]

yea there are some mentioned in the bible.

[~Felly~]

Yup, I stand by the previous two posts.

W.....O....W...

Fel made a post that made sense..... Is this the start of a wave of posts like this?

It's what I believe. I can make posts that make sense any day of the week. Believe it.

[Invisible Shadow]

I, myself, was born an Atheist (from my dad) and a Catholic (from my mom), so I have my own seperate views on God. And if people were flying into the eyes of hurricanes, their plane would be torn to pieces and they would be dead. That is crazy. I rest my case for now.
Yeah, I'm with EM on that one.